Cooling fan options

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    depends on the area and how much labour costs but even full service (delid,caps changing) without fan shouldn't cost you more than 50-60usd (like i said,i'm trying to find middle ground with prices).obviously if the fan needs changing you need to account that also,and if the syscon chip is fried then he most sensible and cost effective thing would be to replace the whole mainboard.

    but like i've said,get it first for diagnostics,that would clear things up considerably.
     
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    I found a 19 blade fan on eBay but I'm not sure if it's compatible with my model. Also I read that it's better for cooling if I replace the full metal power supply with the plastic covered ones. can you guys take a look at these pictures tell me if these items are compatible with my cech - b01? Screenshot_2019-05-24-13-07-29.png Screenshot_2019-05-24-12-58-34.png
     
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    I realize the syscon or subcircuit could be fried, is there any way that I can test that at home?
     
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    only with known working fan.
     
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    Okay what about that fan in the picture? Is it compatible with my model?
     
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    i believe so,but rather than buying the whole fan or anything else you should do diagnostics first.if the only thing that's done to that fan is like you said to rearrange the order of the wires than restoring them to original would rule out the fan as the culprit.
     
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    okay and what about that power Supply?
     
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    psu is always a good investment but if i remember correctly only ZSSR5391A (initial one) was problematic,all other are fine.more than likely you'll have an APS one and those are fine,i still have original APS in my cechc and it's fine really,i did couple of tests of heating and even in heavy rsx games it stayed mildly warm.

    but again,all those investments are unnecessary and hastily at this point.you should get it first to a proper working condition then think about upgrades.

    edit: compatability you can find on https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Power_Supply

    note that efficiency is the most important parameter when looking at PSU's of any kind,as psu's dissipate electric energy that it couldn't convert as heat.less efficient thus dissipate more heat than more efficient.
     
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    OK I hear ya
     
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    Well some the he has it straight wired he could install a potomiter to control the fan speeds. I did this with my 60gb model before we had CFW and the ability to control the fan. Or there is the EZ Chill that plugs in and you control the fan speed through a knob bypassing the PS3's syscon controlling this. Not ideal but it will work.

    Also I upgraded my PSU and fan to 19 blade it made some difference but only a few degrees. It's not a fix but here is the mods I did to it.

    https://www.psx-place.com/threads/my-cechb-01-teensy-stealth.9534/
     
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    i'll bet you that proper service and delid would make way bigger improvement than even taking the PSU out and any fan could ever can.other than building custom case,mounting pc style tower or water cooling there's so much you can do anyway,and taking apart such a compact machine and showing it in pc case,stiching the pc PSU up and all that jazz isn't really worth it imho.

    what however could be worth it is to find a way to get liquid metal at least between IHS and the chips.i'm still waiting mine to come to try to figure it out myself as i live in god forgotten country and i need to import everything...
     
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    Yeah they are nice "extras" but certainly not a fix. Mine got all those done and the delidding/IHS when I got my NAND flasher installed. After that, the PSU and the fan upgrade my phat model is even cooler then my CECH-2501/3001 models but they are bone stock hardware wise with Sony's shoddy thermal paste.
     
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    Yep, is one of the alternatives, but as mentioned i dont like how works the EZchill and his clones, i think is a bad idea in concept
     
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    Yeah but if he has fried components it's a variable option was all. Not ideal but they are cheap and easy to install.
     
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    In his case could be aceptable because:
    -the syscon pin that generates the PWM signal to control the fan speed seems to be "dead"
    -the alternative is to build a mod to generate the PWM signal*

    But for the people that have the syscon chip working fine (and is still generating the PWM signal) there is a much better mod, i was talking about it here:
    https://www.psx-place.com/threads/have-someone-try-ezchill-ps3.19278/


    *The board to generate the PWM signal "from scratch" could be a bit tricky, but is simple and very common so i guess there should be some instructables to build it at home
    Is the kind of board used to cool an hdd, or a router, or a rasperry, or dunno, whatever
    Only are needed 1 thermal sensor, 1 PIC microcontroller, and a couple of capacitors and resitors
    The list of components is so small that it can be made without a board.... just by soldering the pins of one component to the pins of other component and so on (and at the end pour a big ball of silicone to cover it entirelly and isolate it). The biggest problem is that is needed to program the PIC with a compiled program. Incase of finding some instructables to build this at home the program is going to be distributed either compiled (so you cant change the settings), or in source code (where you can change the setings, but is needed a bit or programming and installing the PIC SDK to compile it). Also, is needed a programmer to "write" the program in the PIC... but most PICs can be written with the LPT port (for printers) of an old PC
     
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    PS3 Compatible PSUs CECHA/B/C/E:

    *ZSSR5391A - Found in CECHA/B - DONT BUY THIS ONE! - Rated 399W ~ 6.0A - Compatible with CECHA/B/C/E

    *APS-226 - Found in CECHE (Exceptions CECHA/B - Refurbished) - Rated 399W ~ 3.2A - Compatible with CECHA/B/C/E

    *APS-227 - Found in CECHC (PAL Only ~ 240V Grid) - Rated 399W ~ 2.0A - Compatible with CECHA/B/C/E

    *APS-231 - Found in CEHCG (110~240V Bi-Volt) - Rated 287W ~ 1.8A - Compatible with CECHA/B/C/E

    Note: A Few users reported instabilities with the APS-231 on the CECHA/B PlayStation3s, ive tested on a CECHC04, havent got any instabilities, but bear in mind, CECHCs are partial PlayStation2 Hardware, CECHA/B are full PlayStation2 Hardware, so the demand will be a bit higher, but i believe you shouldnt face any problems, if you are worried get the APS-226, same rated wattage,but lower amperage than the ZSSR5391A, which is the main reason they were hot to the touch.
     
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    i really,really doubt he'll have zssr one,so there are none reason to change it.
     
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    In regards to what umart666 said about BC models going up in price, it's already happening...at least in Japan and the CECHA00 model. I just came back this past Friday from a 2 week business trip/vacation in Japan and prices on the A00 model are definitely going up across the board at all shops and they are beginning to get harder and harder to find.
    Back in 2015/16 you could go to any Bookoff and find 2 or 3 used A00 models from a beater to a well taken care of unit. Prices ran from 90-120Euros depening on the condition and if it came with cables and a controller. I bought mine at the Akihabara Bookoff in 2016/2017. It was in tip top shape, came with all the cables and one genuine DS3 controller. I paid 93Euros for it as they were having a 20% sale on all used systems and due to being a foreigner I didn't pay sales tax.
    This time around I found only one A00 at a Bookoff and it was a real beater...they were asking close to 150Euros for it. I saw another one at the Surugaya in Shinjuku and they were asking 180 Euros.
    On the flipside, you can pick up slims and super slims for dirt cheap. You can most likely also get a good deal for an A00 via the Japanese Yahoo auctions.
    I'll be going back to Japan around November of this year so it will be interesting to see if the trend is still continuing.
     
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    as in everything supply and demand dictate the price.and will only go up as devs give us more tools to get even more from BC consoles.to be honest fully configured BC ps3 is the beast,i've only recently got into ws patching for ps2 games and it really rivals even emu on pc...
     
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    I am intrested in picking a Japanese A00,do you have any idea how much shipping value did you have to pay to get it imported? I am quite on the knifes-edge to decide if its worth importing or not! :)
     

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