PS3 Delit Super Slim CELL ?

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    I delited many ps3's up up now, all without trouble both rsx and cell. You all know it is essential or you WILL run in to YLOD with EVERY ps3 model, so because im a collector i want them for a long time working ;)

    But now I got my first super slim 400x for my collection. I tried to delit the CPU. besides the spots around the IHS glue like on late slim models, that makes cutting much harder than on fat models where it takes seconds, it was cutted fine. the cell where cutted completly, but the die was completle melted onto the ihs. I tried to lift it and the hol cpu brokes out of the board.

    So now my question, are there a few models that got a soldered ihs like on AMD PC CPU? I mean the die brokes completly out and sticks on the ihs. After everything was destroyed ether I decided to try to get the die of the ihs but nothing. not even with a hammer has it possibe to become it free.

    So are there super slim cpus that are soldered? Anybody sucsessfully delited a super slim?

    My idea was to fill up the cell with isoprop alcohol BEFOR cutting the glue, so it fills up with isoprop and dissolve the stoned thermalcompound. All ps3 cells got this tiny hole at the front where most place there cutter to begin delitting, there I would try to fill in the isoprop. Would this be a good idea? I always clean old cpus with isoprop cause it makes the harded thik old past nearly liquid and easy to wipe. So my idea ias to soak it in to isoprop that the old dried and nearly stoned paste suck it up and get soft again.
     
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    Yes the CELL - IHS on SuperSlims are soldered together so you cannot remove it, also makes for a bit better heat disapation, and the RSX has no IHS.

    NOT every PS3 ...... Superslims will not suffer YLOD like other model PS3's as they use Tantelum Caps on the CELL and RSX not crappy NEC Tokken caps.

    Superslims are the tanks of the PS3 family. Mine has suffered years and years of hard abuse in gaming from brand new with only one thermal paste replacement since they were first launched ( a CECH4003A ) which is when I bought it and still runs like brand new, never had one issue with it... well other than me not reconnecting the BT antenne properly making me think it was busted when it wasn't lol......
     
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    Thx for your reply man. Okay this explains why I broke my hole CELL out of the board while try to lift the IHS from the Chip. I thought I just got one with tromendous harded paste. mhmh okay for my next slim i will only aply new paste ON the IHS not try to delit it again xD

    But It's yet a bit shitty that you are not able to remove it to aply new paste, that kind of anoys me to know that it is not possible changed. got me always a bad feeling xD I aplied over all new paste on my CECHB and it got in game with 31% Fan speed, room temp of 23°C a CELL Temp round about 65°C at MAX. MY CECHL model with same procedure of past swapping reaches with same setting ingame a max of 63°C in MAX. My slim (20xx) model got nearly the same, in same games tiny bit lower. The super slim SHOULD be a nice amount cooler than this so I hope it is ;)
     
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    I did have a superslim with an IHS that wasn't soldered but it was still using a thermal adhesive and cracked the die when it eventually came off. There's really no point in deliding the superslim anyway since its cooled very well. (I did it out of curiosity as it was a model with the 28nm GPU and I was trying to confirm that the CELL also never got another die shrink.) soldered CPUs receive little to no benefit from even liquid metal application so I really have no idea why you would want to delid them anyway given that if you use anything but liquid metal TIM your temps will go UP not down and even when they do go down its usually between 2-4°C (worthless). I also have an original CECH-4001 that I opened up recently which after 3000H the original TIM was still wet, I've opened original CECHA/E's with the same amount of usage or less and the paste was bone dry. The superslim cooling really doesn't need to be modified to avoid the YLOD boogieman. Here are some pics of the CECH-4301 I delided for anyone curious, I'll upload more pics of it on PSdev wiki once I get an account made there.[​IMG]
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    The super slims will be due for a change in the next year or so i reckon, pretty much sonys thermal paste only had a 5 year shelf life at best even if they didnt run many hours they went dry just on that alone, so u'll find super slims wont be far off.

    Saying that i actually haven't seen many people actually delid a 3k slim or super slim that used the thermal adhesive on the CPU, more so because they were afraid to damage the die from the CPU's chip. but remember these consoles had hardly any use so the thermal adhesive has been at its peak strength so they will come off a lot easier as they age more with use.
     
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    Thx for this detailed answer, great! Okay so they use you could say the kind of glue that can be found on the RAM chips from older RSX Models? these are also hard to get rid of sometimes.
    Yeah I also broke out the hole DIE completly brakes the CELL chip in hundrets of pieces. Even when you buy a Sony console brand new the past they use is cheap china trash.

    I bought my slim ps4 model brand new and changed the thermal paste day one and replaced the trash thermal paste with high performance "thermal grizzly" paste and got 7°C lower without modifing the Fan adjustment. (it is OFW) And in God of War 2018 my machine does not go Boing 747 within Map anymore xDD.

    There is not only a problem with the age of past but also day one with the quality so this will increase the problems within years. Made the same with my never opend (since now) CECHB PS3 model bought some days ago and it goes down with slightly higher fan speed nearly 20°C thats tremendous from idling ~81°C to ~62°C.

    I guess the slims paste will get same fate some days. like wrx884 said, the super slims are much newer and less used. I see many YLOD Ps3 super slims on german ebay, so I guess overheating is also here. I bought one of them, fixed it with reflow, the fans where intact and clean so there must be a thermal past problem aswell.

    Do you got any tip how it is possible to delit it eather even if it is not super necessary. is this thermal adhisiv in some kind soluble with alcohol?
     
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    No, I'm not saying its the same as the ones found on previous RSX chips. Just that is uses a paste that comes dry from the factory, the advantage of pastes like this is that although they don't have a high thermal conductivity they also almost never degrade.

    I'm going to call BS on that claim that your temps dropped to a consistent 62°C, its no secret that better thermal paste will decrease the rate at which the temperature climbs but it will always reach 70-80°C if you actually leave the console on for an hour or more with the fan profile on its default curve or even a solid 40%.
    If you have evidence to disagree with this please record your screen for 2 hours of you letting the console sit in game with the FAN at 40%. (and no you cant use a PS2 game)

    I don't believe your claim that you found a superslim with a YLOD either as I was unable to find a single superslim on both American and German ebay when searching for "YLOD", even when looking in the completed listings. You can certainly find broken superslims but I have never seen any console other than the fats and the original 20XX slims with an actual YLOD error.

    No I don't have any suggestions as to how you might remove the IHS of the final CELL revisions but as I stated earlier there is essentially no reward for removing it successfully anyway. If you try to remove it you're likely just going to break another console. Even if you do buy one unless you're willing to x-ray it there's no way to tell if the CPU is one of the ones that's soldered or one like mine that still uses thermal adhesive.
     
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    I woun't let it like this. There is a why to apply the thermal grease in factory, so there is a way to delit it ;) I will try out heat and IPA to get rid of this strange stoned thermal paste/glue/solder or what ever it is.

    I can say it is 100% not soldered. Soldered indium CPU IHS's got a Gold layer on the IHS and this indium solder looks like normal solder, shiny silver, and soldered CPU's can easiely delited buy adding a temp between 150-200 °C for some seconds, the IHS will pop of. Like on intel i9 9xxxK modls. Super slim cpu is not soldered like that!

    I mean I got the IHS of, I saw that this was more or less paste like it is applyed to the RAM chips of Fat PS3 models you know that. The RSX on fat models got normal thermal paste on the die and on all 4 RAM chips this hard thermal adhesive.

    What I found on my destroid CELL was very simmilar to this kind of adhesive found an the RSX RAM chips but even harder. So i will find out if this can be soften by applying IPA and let it there for some minutes to suck it up ( normal thermal greas gets like water when it gets contact with IPA, so i will try that.

    The trick how I delit every RSX ever since is heat my heatgun up to 70°C and heat the chip up to the ps3's operating Temperature. Most of the times the RSX IHS nearly fell off without any force or wiggleing. So I will try that out too.

    I mean i get your point, it only took 3-4°C makes no sence and so on. You may be right, but we aren't in official $ony Forums here where guys asking how to conenct the PS3 to the power Supply, we are hackers, modders, freaks nerds and enthusiasts here, we like to go beyond the boundaries. I will do that because I can, there is no need to that must not make sense I just like to get rid of this freaking damn CELL xD

    PS: And there arend YLOD Super Slims? yeah thats right, cause this model do not know this error message shown as Yellow Light, but there are plenty models with the error " turns on, and quickly goes of flashing red" so in other words YLOD. I bought one, I reflowed it and tada works again. so for me its verry clearly an "YLOD"ish error ;) BUT It reaches way over 75°C on 50% Fan mode. THIS super slim I bought recently will get my specail treatment xD and than we will see. My CECHB did NOT reaches 65°C after hours of gaming at 31% fan speed, so I will not accept a super slim nearly 15 °C hoter as a launch ps3 fat.
    When You don't use this shitty MX-2/4 paste, than your ps3 will hold unter 63°C for hours mate ;) look out for Thermal grizzly paste or graphit pads. THIS is real good paste. costs a bit but way better than this chinese mx trash paste that drys out after one year. I will never use MX ! With MX, my PS4 goes like a G6 after one year, now it is aplied with thermal grizzly paste for over 2,5 years and is nearly as quiet as day one even in GOW map looking, whats nowen for blowen out you ps4 fan xD

    I could leave it like that for shour it will run, even on 50% fan speed the fan is more quiet than a FAT fan on 30% but NO because No :D I will get the best out of it. So i will find a ways to delit this CPU in the name of the Console gods :D haha The Force will be with me.
     
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    1. There are 2 different types, the thermal adhesive like on mine, and actual solder as can be seen in some videos from NSC


    2. I have no idea why you're mentioning the RSX, the RSX on the super slim has no IHS and can only be improved by changing the TIM.

    3. Feel free, like I've said before none of us can stop you but you're most likely just going to wind up with a PS3 that doesn't work

    4. There aren't any YLOD super slims, you can find Fats and regular slims with "turns on, and quickly goes of flashing red". Simply because you got lucky with a reflow doesn't mean it was fixed by your heatgun.

    5. Post a video of your CECHB running TLoU for 2 hours, show the fan speed, show the room temp, and show the CELL/RSX temp. Theres a 100% chance it will go over 65C running at that speed in a 25C room.

    6. You're going to need to accept those temps, the RSX and the CELL of the super slim may be smaller but the heatsink and fan of the super slim is also vastly smaller. Oh and I did use Thermal Grizzly, Kyronaut and Conductonaut. IDK why you seem to believe Thermal grizzly TIM is immune to drying out for some reason, it's not.

    7. There is no 28nm CELL, only a 28nm RSX.
     
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    Hold on, i thought RSX endeed at 45nm?

    There was a claim in 2012, around the 4K model release, that the CELL has moved to 32nm based die's, by a Japanese Press, we all know now how that turned out

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    Weird i have no issues when i use MX paste so i dont understand why u feel the need to bash it for? it does its job that its intended. one would think maybe u applied it wrong or bought the fake ones getting around? who knows.

    really u shouldnt even need to up ur fans but if u are ur not really getting ur true reading.
     
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    Yep there was a 28nm RSX that was put into some units after the 40XX run. I posted a pic of the one I found in a 43XX I opened up a little while ago. This is a late model 43XX which had the 28nm but still had a 40nm CELL. I would suspect that the 32nm CELL was probably designed to be put into servers for the launch of PSNow. The pictures I posted above are from the same unit as this photo where I got the RSX measurements
    https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/File:28nm_RSX_measurements.jpg
     
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    I would not say tanks as the disc tray is shoddy. And it really depends on the owner of the system. My launch day B-01 is still going strong with a little up keep. It did get delidded when the teensy++ was installed internally but that system is ran at the very least 20 hours a week since launch. My 2501A actually runs a bit warmer then my B-01 after a PSU swap and thermal paste. Its been an amazing system. The HDMI port gave out in my 3001 but I just use a PS2 HDMI cord for it. Besides it's mainly for the kids. The super slims I have had issues with. Not overheating but the disc tray specifically and it just looks and feels cheap much like the slim PS2. That being said if not I drive it all it's a pretty hearty system.
     
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    What are your temps on the CECHB01 cell/rsx and fan speed during TLOU and Uncharted 3?
     
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    After a six hour gaming session. Not sure on those exact games as this was taken a while ago. I'll give one of those two a go tomorrow and let you know. My console has never been above 65 degrees Celsius I do know that. I only run the fan @33% as I don't like to hear the fan go up and down. Keep it in a well ventilated area. I did the delid during 4.76 firmware I recall that. I have done just a quick paste swap twice and use compressed air once or twice a year. Aside from that I just have a newer PSU that produces less heat and had an extra 19 blade fan so I added that. Truth be told it made no difference other then it's a bit quieter. This was over three years ago when I did the delid and installed the teensy++

    https://www.psx-place.com/threads/my-cechb-01-teensy-stealth.9534/


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    Also I haven't done the fix @Naked_Snake1995 posted but it also hasn't ever had YLOD. Now I had two 60gb models that weren't so good to me so I guess I just got a good system but those were before we had any fan control options other then installing a potometer to manually control speeds. I did this after errors were occuring. But that B-01 is my daily system and sees 95% of my game time. My CECH-2501A is OFW only and my 3001 is my kids system.
     
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    That’s pretty great, I don’t think I can achieve that even after my delid + repaste. I have aps 226, 15 blade fan, AS5 paste above and below IHS, it will go up to around 35% fan speed when playing uncharted 3/TLOU when pegging temp to 67C max
     
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    Yeah I admit it is better then most systems. Check my edit above, it really is an amazing system.
     
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    I will test my CECHB01 this weekend to see how it behaves.

    side question: is there a way to separate the fan blades from the brushless motor to re-lube the shaft?
     
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    Also I didn't have good results with AS5 switching to Artic MX4 got about 5 degrees cooler. Maybe try that if you want it a bit cooler.

    And not sure on the fan maybe someone more knowledgeable with that can help maybe @sandungas might know or maybe @Naked_Snake1995
     
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    I think the squeept guy had some photos of him doing that to some PS3 fans but I don't think he explained how.
     

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