Found a Bug with IRD

Discussion in 'General PS3 Discussion' started by pinky, Oct 9, 2019 at 8:52 PM.

  1. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    I found a strange bug with 3d dot game heroes, and its ird. there's a file named Thumbs.db in the IconData folder. well, rudi rastelli's tool will create an iso of the game, but it will delete the Thumbs.db, so even if the game checked out as correct beforehand, it won't be anymore after converting to iso. the file is physically gone from your pc. if you check the ird with ps3rebuilder, it will say the file is missing. this is the only game where I've seen this happen.
     
    Yugonibblit likes this.
  2. 150
    45
    57
    Omage

    Omage Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2015
    Messages:
    150
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    57
    3d dot game heroes(jap) Frequent freezing :ambivalence:
     
    pinky likes this.
  3. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    this is the European version. maybe it's deleting files from the JP version? I'm going to make another iso of it, but this time forcibly injecting the Thumbs.db file into it.
     
  4. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    i think I've solved the problem by using the standalone genps3iso. Thumbs.db is a hidden file, which apparently rudi's tool doesn't account for. I've successfully created an iso with that Thumbs.db file. :)

    edit: genps3iso and makeps3iso result in the same issue through rudi's tool. the only thing that seems to work with hidden files is genps3iso, but I'll have to test if the game works. everything looks good.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2019 at 3:10 AM
    Yugonibblit likes this.
  5. 2,175
    2,059
    372
    Berion

    Berion Developer

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2015
    Messages:
    2,175
    Likes Received:
    2,059
    Trophy Points:
    372
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    rom0:/
    I believe there is another reason. Thumbs.db is a windows image miniatures garbage, it is high possible that this is feature added to not include in disc image useless files. However this doesn't mean that "Thumbs.db" from 3D Dot Game Heroes is in real the same thumb.db junk, but maybe it's in reality VFS which is mandatory (consider it as cleaver security layer). Just guessing.

    BTW: I love this game, this is some kind of "Sony Zelda", but EU or US version (I don't remember now) is bugged. Not all loading screens appears so platinum trophy is impossible to achieve. I have tried mess with patch transplanting from one region to another in those days, but without success. What a shame From Software...
     
  6. 5,745
    5,352
    622
    sandungas

    sandungas Moderator Developer

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2014
    Messages:
    5,745
    Likes Received:
    5,352
    Trophy Points:
    622
    Location:
    Babylon 20xxE series
    I dont think the disc have that file, as @Berion said this is a file generated by microsoft windows, and the only way it could get included in the real disc is if someone at the game company did the mistake to include it in the "master" copy of the game and after that it passed all the quality controls... but this is higly unlikely

    In other words... that IRD seems to be "fake"
     
  7. 5,757
    2,830
    497
    atreyu187

    atreyu187 Retired Old Hunter Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2014
    Messages:
    5,757
    Likes Received:
    2,830
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Scholar of Byrgenwerth
    Location:
    Cainhurst Castle
    Home Page:

    Wait what? It's a From Software game? Ok I'm off to find this and hope it isn't to much. SOLD


    Edit

    Hold the phone the JP was published by From and the US was co-published by Atlus and someone else. Not as intrigued anymore.
     
  8. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    well, the file is part of the ird unless whoever made it screwed up? I've not seen any other game do this. here it is:

    upload_2019-10-10_9-4-1.png

    if this one is incorrect, it could mean others are too. for example, my last of us rip has the wrong md5 for every psarc related file. these are the only two games I've seen that were messed up. I don't think either is giving the right information.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2019 at 10:06 AM
  9. 2,175
    2,059
    372
    Berion

    Berion Developer

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2015
    Messages:
    2,175
    Likes Received:
    2,059
    Trophy Points:
    372
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    rom0:/
    @atreyu187 Yeah, looking at wiki I saw that Silicon Studio developed it and publishers are various. It looks like I'm starting loosing memory. ;p But anyway, game is excellent, really. It is literally clone of first Zelda from NES.

    @pinky Many peoples released IRD made from rips with modified EBOOT or other files...
     
    atreyu187 likes this.
  10. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    is there anyway to get a fresh ird? 'cause if that's the case, it defeats the purpose of ird files.
     
  11. 6,898
    8,169
    797
    DeViL303

    DeViL303 Developer PSX-Place Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2016
    Messages:
    6,898
    Likes Received:
    8,169
    Trophy Points:
    797
    Occupation:
    Part-Time XMB Modder
    Location:
    Ireland
    I guess if your game is exactly the same in every way except for the thumbs.db then you can consider an IRD made from your disc as the fresh "perfect" IRD. As there is not really much chance that you could both have the same error on another file, and everything else matches.
     
    sandungas likes this.
  12. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    something odd is that the thumbs.db is in both region games, but how could that have happened twice for the same game?
     
  13. 6,898
    8,169
    797
    DeViL303

    DeViL303 Developer PSX-Place Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2016
    Messages:
    6,898
    Likes Received:
    8,169
    Trophy Points:
    797
    Occupation:
    Part-Time XMB Modder
    Location:
    Ireland
    Then its probably a mistake in mastering by Sony. funny.
     
  14. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    I think @sandungas said that makeps3iso was superior to genps3iso. the standalone genps3iso will copy that file, but both makeps3iso and genps3iso through rudi's tool don't. I was hoping to use a makeps3iso (standalone). I saw a post about using the one with irisman, but it's identical to the one in rudi's tool. I guess I could assume that it's going to work without the file, but what I don't understand is why the file is physically deleted. I can understand just skipping over the file, but deleting it?
     
  15. 766
    908
    147
    Zar

    Zar Developer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Messages:
    766
    Likes Received:
    908
    Trophy Points:
    147
    Can we make and IRD with a backup ? I think it's not possible, I think the soft allow making the IRD only if it's read from the disc...

    I think it's a mistake made by the devs... they are humans too. ;)
     
    jcorrea likes this.
  16. 280
    140
    97
    jcorrea

    jcorrea PSX-Place Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2018
    Messages:
    280
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Developer
    Location:
    Curitiba/Brasil
    If the backup is in ISO, it's possible to create an IRD, but without D1/D2. The IRD will be used only to validate the files, but will not be possible to decrypt discs with that.
     
    Zar likes this.
  17. 11,921
    4,768
    497
    pinky

    pinky Bitsiboo's Other Half Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    11,921
    Likes Received:
    4,768
    Trophy Points:
    497
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Great Gig in the Sky
    maybe whoever made the ird files for 3d dot game heroes had this extra file. what's odd is that both games have it, and in the same location. what's also odd is the fact that file is deleted instead of skipped. genps3iso includes the file/doesn't delete. what exactly is the problem with genps3iso, 'cause I heard that cfw users should use makeps3iso. genps3iso is for ode, right? rudi's tool deletes the file with genps3iso as well. I have to use the command line with the original genps3iso to get it to include the file.
     
  18. 280
    140
    97
    jcorrea

    jcorrea PSX-Place Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2018
    Messages:
    280
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Developer
    Location:
    Curitiba/Brasil
    You can check it on the disc. Just put it on the BD drive and navigate to the folder. Of course it will be crypted, but you will be able to confirm if that exists.

    Edit: I don't think it's a "fake" IRD because there isn't any other application, able to edit/create IRD's, than 3k3y Iso Tools.

    If someone wants to deal with IRD's, I have the latest public source of 3k3y Ripp3r:
    https://github.com/jhonathanc/3k3y-Ripp3r
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2019 at 6:07 PM

Share This Page