ps3 fat can operate with sdd hard disk ?

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    hello guys i wander if ps3 fat or slim or super slim can opreat sdd hard disk i heard it's fastest then hdd hrad disk
     
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    Yes the Ps3 can operátu with ssd. But the limit is the sata controller in Ps3 as is it only the 150Mb/s. So it Will be only little bit faster. But not very huge improvement.
     
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    so should i use it or stay in hdd?
     
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    What you prefere and what is your budget.il just stick with that. I preferencie classic hdd because i have them. I have ssd only as boot drive in ntb and pc. Maybe one Day i Will put ssd in Ps3.maybe.Different story is Ps4 there is advantage in ssd.
     
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    stay on hdd.invest in a largest one you can afford,get one with more cash,try to have the most free space as possible and rebuild database one so often (that`s like defragmenting a drive in Windows).that`s best that ps3 can do.

    also,if you`re on cfw you can use external hdd for game images (for ps3,ps1 games and roms for retroarch) and that combination (game install on a internal hdd and game image on a external hdd) would be fastest one possible,faster than a BD drive.
     
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    For a PS3 the hybrid hdds are good
    You know... that ones that are in between an SSD and a HDD, they have mechanical parts as an arm that moves and plates that spins, but they also have some flash chips used as "cache" to improve speeds
     
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    since the limit of ps3 hdd is 1tb, you can probably find a sub $100 1TB SSD.

    Mine is a 1tb samsung 860 QVO, its a QVL based nand chips, it means that it was the cheapest of them all, since the review talks about how slow this ssd when it ran out of cache memory (around 70MB/sec) but for ps3, that doesnt matter. I got it for $95 on amazon.

    when im choosing a drive to upgrade my 160gb ps3 slim (han only, so you need a big internal hdd to take advantage on it), im torn between 1tb toshiba mechanical drive or a 1tb samsung 860 ssd. the price difference is like $20, so I just opted with the ssd instead, and im not really worried about the TBW on the ssd it was advertised to have 1440 TBW so yeah...

    so ssd are getting cheaper now, though the samsung 860 qvo is quite slow (70MB/sec) if the ram cache is full, but comparing that performance to a regular mechanical hdd, thats nothing big.
     
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    thanks for the help my friend
     
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    Once,I installed an SSD to my PS3 but It did not made a huge difference.So,HDD will be better.:)
     
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    This is one of the cases where we can use cars to make a comparison :D

    Lets say... the max speed of the road is limited to 100km/h (because SATA connector)
    There are a lot of cars that can reach 100km/h... so at top speed (100km/h) it doesnt matters which car you have

    The difference is a very light car (one of that small race prototypes made of carbon fiber) will reach the 100km/h way more faster than a weighty car
    So is a matter of acceleration, not top speed
     
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    I think that we are not at the max speed of SATA though, so there is an advantage to upgrading, but we dont get the full benefit.

    So its like the speed limit is 100km/h, but our current car can only do 80km/h, but if we get SDD its max speed is 200km/h, but we can only get the extra 20km/h due to the limit. :D lol. This car analogy is not great. :)

    I think SSHD is the way to go. I remember a few years ago, seeing 0_obeWAN in his videos installing one of my mods, it was flying compared to my speeds, I asked him what was the story, and had he sped up the video, no, it was a SSHD, XMBM+ installer speed must have been easily 25% quicker or more.

    I have 2TB SSHDs in all my PS4s , but none in any PS3 yet here.
     
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    in reality,even 'acceleration' (access time) only matters in loading times and significantly in like 10ish biggest games that are still being played.there are couple of open world games that can benefit also in streaming resources while playing but better and latest ones have resolved this even with hdd's.

    in my opinion as on pc's it really only matters if game is played online,and 90 percent of problems can be resolved even with defragmentation.
     
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    Wouldn't be another advantage of having a SSD instead of a HDD the almost non-existent heat produced by the drive? If having a drive that not produces heat, the PS3 would be colder and so it would be better for our console in a long term. What do you think guys?

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    True, in theory it will use less power, and produce less heat, so it will also help the PSU to last longer and create less heat itself. I think the only issue is that some SSD drives don't emulate a real HDD as well as others. So some SSDs might have issues on a PS3, or even not work at all. Some are probably 100% perfect too.
     
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    that's so minor that it is really irrelevant.ps3 heat problems always boil down to heat transfer from the actual chips to the heatsink.
     
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    They actually can use a lot less, more than the specs will tell you. The reason is that a SSD uses almost no power while in an idle state, and due to being so fast, it will be in an idle state most of the the time. A HDD on the other hard, uses almost full power while idle as it needs to keep spinning, and also it is idle a lot less as its slower. So its hard to estimate the actual difference. Also HDDs can get very hot in confined spaces, so the heat would be worth considering.

    Anyway, the biggest advantage to SSD/SSHD is the install speed and general response times.
     
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    ps3 doesn't govern hdd's states,firmware does,i'm not that knowledgeable about factory installed hdd's but being mostly seagate momenthus derivative i suspect they are parking heads really aggressive also same as conventional 2,5" hdd's (there are exeptions,but are really rare).so he whole power and temp thing is really unimportant in general,as like 95 percent of those drives are low power,low temp,low spinning speed drives.

    look,i'm not saying ssd's aren't better in every way,they really are,but for ps3's and general use that's the last thing typical user should worry about.proper care,setup and management resolves most of the typical problems,and ps3 being slow is due to being mid 00's tech.
     
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    I know we wont get the full benefit, but now that it costs like €25 for 500GB HDD, and €50 for a 500GB SSD, its maybe worth the extra €25 just to have fast file operations in homebrew apps. Its not like years ago where it costs hundreds. Any other small benefit to heat/power/noise is just a bonus.
     
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    i'd argue that for jailbroken ps3's separate larger external drive or NAS for the same money is better investment.
     
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