PS2 Additional video modes for built-in GSM in OPL
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jolek
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I'm not sure that you understand what was written here:
https://github.com/ps2homebrew/Open-PS2-Loader/issues/328,
https://github.com/ps2homebrew/Open-PS2-Loader/issues/330.
https://github.com/ps2homebrew/Open-PS2-Loader/issues/328,
https://github.com/ps2homebrew/Open-PS2-Loader/issues/330.
Fannste94
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I do but if those EDTV modes work with OPL why wouldn't they work for games with GSM, it will detect them as 480p 60Hz and 576p 50Hz like OPL
Or you can make those EDTV resolutions in HDTV modes like the ones in GSM
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NO YOU STILL DON'T (understand it)!
I am sorry to put it in caps, but you opened 2 issues on OPL's repo, which had thoroughly explained the issue (even with pictures, to show you WHY IT DOESN'T WORK) and yet you ask over and over and over again.
Without trying to insult you... There either must be an issue with your capabilities of comprehension or you are intentionally trying to troll us!
When you set these modes in OPL's GUI, it doesn't only set the output-resolution, but can also change the internal resolution, hence it can perfectly match. Do you see that OPL's GUI has a "scaling-function" (called "Overscan")? You can live-scale there...
GSM only adapts the output-resolution a.k.a. ("also known as") "VModes" and can double, triple, quadruple the internal resolution only and NOT FREELY SCALE, which we OBVIOUSLY can in the OPL-GUI!
You want to give out a 720x480 RENDERED picture in a 720x448 OUTPUT? IT WILL cut off 32 lines of the picture (16 on top and 16 on the bottom)...
You want to give out a 720x448 RENDERED picture in a 720x480 OUTPUT? IT WILL show 32 black lines (16 on top and 16 on the bottom), except for your TV where you can not deactivate the "zooming in"!
OPL's RENDERED resolution --> Can be freely defined...
GAME'S RENDERED resolution --> IS PREDEFINED per game and can be different per game
GSM does not control the internal resolution, but the "external"-/output-resolution a.k.a. "Video-Mode"...
You have ZEEEERRROOO clue, what you are talking about...
Those EDTV and HDTV-output-modes, are even specially rendered internally!
To show 60 frames, some of them RENDER 120 frames or even 180 frames...
I get to the point...
tl;dr
You don't understand the freakin difference about INTERNAL resolution and EXTERNAL resolution/VMode!
LEARN the difference!
Additionally:
It is STILL your TV which is at fault for "zooming in" and you expect OPL to fix your issue (or provide a workaround), even though it is not possible?
I told you:
- Fix it via your settings, or...
- Fix it via your service-menu, or...
- Live with it, or...
- Get a TV, which doesn't do that "zooming in" or where you can deactivate it!
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@Fannste94 Btw it's really strange to have overscan, you're using a digital tv not a crt, right?
I rarely used the Ps2 on digital tvs, however it comes to mind only one reason for a screen cut-out on digital TVs:
It is a actual cut-out (not overscan), it also happens on CRT since, like @TnA explained, Ps2 games are rendered on a fixed internal resolution that GSM cannot change.
Cut-out happens if you force to NTSC a PAL game that actually take advantage of PAL resolution.
For example Richard Burns Rally (that's a PAL native game), if you set GSM to NTSC you'll cut-out some resolution lines, since you're rendering (see EDIT:**) only 480 lines (NTSC standard) out of 576 lines (PAL standard). The line cut is not always the same on all games since not always they're rendered in full resolution, but the result doesn't change.
The cut-out doesn't happens only forcing native PAL games to NTSC but obviously also on NTSC games that are correctly converted to PAL.
If the PAL game have black bars instead, then you're fine.
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I rarely used the Ps2 on digital tvs, however it comes to mind only one reason for a screen cut-out on digital TVs:
It is a actual cut-out (not overscan), it also happens on CRT since, like @TnA explained, Ps2 games are rendered on a fixed internal resolution that GSM cannot change.
Cut-out happens if you force to NTSC a PAL game that actually take advantage of PAL resolution.
For example Richard Burns Rally (that's a PAL native game), if you set GSM to NTSC you'll cut-out some resolution lines, since you're rendering (see EDIT:**) only 480 lines (NTSC standard) out of 576 lines (PAL standard). The line cut is not always the same on all games since not always they're rendered in full resolution, but the result doesn't change.
The cut-out doesn't happens only forcing native PAL games to NTSC but obviously also on NTSC games that are correctly converted to PAL.
If the PAL game have black bars instead, then you're fine.
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Small correction on this sentence (the underlined stuff):
It is still (internally) rendered, but not "put out" on screen.
Fannste94
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Small correction on this sentence (the underlined stuff):
It is still (internally) rendered, but not "put out" on screen.
I posted in another section that I know that the resolution can only be changed in game, and since no games have a 720p and 1080p mode at all and GSM has those modes then other OPL video modes should be added in GSM and tested, you can send me the beta test OPL to see if it works, if not then don't add it
Then you didn't read my reply correctly...
In one sentence... The INTERNAL resolution of these EDTV-Modes is different!
You STILL beLIEve, that it is the output-resolution, which causes the picture to be less or not "zoomed in" on your TV (which is NOT the case)!!!
--> You still do NOT understand the difference.
You already have been told, that we can NOT willy-nilly make up any Output-resolution/VMode (like 1000x650), because most screens would not show a picture or only garbage on the screen!
Video-Modes (a.k.a. "output-resolutions") are standardized for a reason!
...nor can we modify/define the internal resolution of games, which we CAN IN OPL's GUI...
Was that short and clear enough to understand?!?
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On an unrelated note: There are 3 or 4 games which can OUTPUT at 1080i officially...
Only Linux has the internal resolution and the output-resolution matching.
In one sentence... The INTERNAL resolution of these EDTV-Modes is different!
You STILL beLIEve, that it is the output-resolution, which causes the picture to be less or not "zoomed in" on your TV (which is NOT the case)!!!
--> You still do NOT understand the difference.
You already have been told, that we can NOT willy-nilly make up any Output-resolution/VMode (like 1000x650), because most screens would not show a picture or only garbage on the screen!
Video-Modes (a.k.a. "output-resolutions") are standardized for a reason!
...nor can we modify/define the internal resolution of games, which we CAN IN OPL's GUI...
Was that short and clear enough to understand?!?
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On an unrelated note: There are 3 or 4 games which can OUTPUT at 1080i officially...
- GT4 NTSC
- A Moto GP title
- 1 or 2 others...
- Linux
Only Linux has the internal resolution and the output-resolution matching.
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Fannste94
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These are NOT "unsupported Video-Modes" (like PS2Linux or GT4 NTSC, or MOTO GP PROVE)!!!
EDTV ARE 480p and 576p!
You don't even know the VERY BASICS of what Video-Modes are and how they work.
If you continue to post multiple post after another (even after multiple staff requested you not to do this), I propose a 1 day temporary ban!
THIS IS NOT A CHAT, BUT A FORUM!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?
EDTV ARE 480p and 576p!
You don't even know the VERY BASICS of what Video-Modes are and how they work.
If you continue to post multiple post after another (even after multiple staff requested you not to do this), I propose a 1 day temporary ban!
THIS IS NOT A CHAT, BUT A FORUM!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?
I think GSM developers already added all possible resolutions (considering TV/monitors supported resolutions and matching with games internal res.).
I remember once GSM supported even 1080p, but it was removed (for a reason...).
Also Tourist Trophy supports 1080i and possibly God of War? (I don't remember for sure, btw you can find lists about it on google). Unfortunately only NTSC version of the games.
You should try it, it is not like using GSM. Try GT4 or TT in 480p or 1080i. On digital TVs is night and day difference compared to 480i/576i.
Anyway, are you having problems with one particular game forcing it to NTSC? Which game is it?
I remember once GSM supported even 1080p, but it was removed (for a reason...).
Also Tourist Trophy supports 1080i and possibly God of War? (I don't remember for sure, btw you can find lists about it on google). Unfortunately only NTSC version of the games.
You should try it, it is not like using GSM. Try GT4 or TT in 480p or 1080i. On digital TVs is night and day difference compared to 480i/576i.
Anyway, are you having problems with one particular game forcing it to NTSC? Which game is it?
Fannste94
Member
Yes thank you that's what I mean they should try and test it, 480i and 576i looks fine but stretched and pixely, HDTV 480p has cut outs on top and bottom and it's zoomed it but the image quality is great and the game is smooth and 576p looks fine but it has worse image and performance than 480p
On which game 480p is zoomed? If setting 480i (NTSC) it is zoomed the same, right?
Fannste94
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In HDTV 480p 60Hz mode all games are zoomed in but in 480i the games are normal stretched with a black frame around and with pixely image
If that is the VMode you want you are in luck. It's already in GSM and called HDTV 480p.
There is no "zoom", "stretch", "black frame" or "pixely" difference between 480p and 480i.
480p uses a standard progressive frame and 480i uses a interlaced frame with different width depending on if the render is 640 or 512 pixels wide.
What you see on screen is what your ADC and display decide to do with that signal.
I just did and I noticed that I understood your post correctly.
No you did not.
640x448p=INTERNAL resolution
The external resolution of this VMode is 720x480!
You just prove your limits in comprehension over and over again!
What a silly childish try, to deflect from your inability to comprehend (the difference between internal & external)!
I know how this part works, because contrary to you I can understand what the sourcecode does and if I couldn't, I can at least search for what a Video-Mode is.
Contrary to you, I do understand what I am talking about and your tries of belittling me only shows what a type of fool you are.
Btw.: That's not name-calling, but stating a fact... Your childish ad hominem seriously made me laugh!
I was the first to ever play on OPL (after Jimmikaelkael in 2009), before there was an OPL or a release of its former version "USBLD", before there even was a user-interface!
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1st warning for violation of these rules:
- 3.) Be Respectful to your fellow members & Staff.
- 4.) No Duplicate Questions / Derailing threads
- 7.) No childish behavior (Don't be an annoyance or child-like)
Weird... I only issued a warning, but you seemingly got a temporary ban (1 day only). *shrugs*
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I asked for some games so I may be able to replicate a precise test, since not every game behave the same way using GSM.
I tested many games with GSM (480p, 720p and 1080i modes) and never happened with any of my games that 480p zooms the image compared to 480i.
Most probably your tv settings are causing the issue.
Usually HD digital TVs, even on a same source, separate the settings depending on the signal type (also my LCD do so).
For example, my aspect ratio is 16:9 by default. if I'm seeing a SD TV channel (576i in my case), I switch the aspect ratio, let's say, from 16:9 to 4:3. Now changing to a HD channel (1080i) the aspect ratio will be back to 16:9.
Check if your TV aspect ratio changes when outputting a 480p signal.
And btw, could you tell me at least one precise game on which GSM 480p gives a better image than SD (480i/576i)? I'd like to check it out.
I edited my earlier post, to make it less "offensive".
Anyway... It's his TV and either he gets a new one, or finds a way to get his scaling fixed, so that it doesn't "zoom in".
That "zooming in" as a default, is some means to get rid of black-boxed frames ("overscan").
Anyway... It's his TV and either he gets a new one, or finds a way to get his scaling fixed, so that it doesn't "zoom in".
That "zooming in" as a default, is some means to get rid of black-boxed frames ("overscan").
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