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HWNJ said:
Experience has proven the opposite. I'm not the only one saying it.
Even if it spins up at the correct speed, the motor is working with less power than what it expects to work with, meaning the rotor is having a hard time getting it to spin, meaning that after lots of spin ups in that condition, it will fail to work some day, sooner than expected, due to the effort it did over time. That's the fact, deal with it... Wanna see it is true? Use a pocket HDD day after day on a TV set that only has 2.0 ports (no 3.x)... it will last you 6 months to a year.
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If the drive spins up correctly, then the needed power was provided at that time. Your anecdotal evidence means nothing. I have been using mine, mostly with a single plug for 9 years (including the PS2), and it does still work today.
HWNJ said:
Wrong, again. A HUB is recognized as "a hub", not as a USB mass device directly connected to a USB port, meaning some homebrews (depending on the driver used) will fail to recognize the HDD. So, HUBs are a big no on PS2 or Wii...
Also, I have never heard or seen a Y cable causing such issues and I have been using them FOR YEARS and also lots of friends of mine too.
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Sorry, I am not responsible for improper USB implementations. Mass storage devices should be correctly recognised regardless if they are connected with or without the hub device.
 
Agrippa said:
If the drive spins up correctly, then the needed power was provided at that time.
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Oh, dude, there's so wrong at that phrase.
A adult human with no visits to the gym in his life, can lift a bag of 15 pounds, but will feel tired after walking some blocks lifting it.
A adult human who did at least some visits two times a week for five years to the nearest local gym in his life will walk with it and not feel tired.
That's the difference of using the Y cable and, of course, the act of being able to lift the bag is the correct startup.
A 1 year old kid, can't lift it... but that's not the point here...

Agrippa said:
I have been using mine, mostly with a single plug for 9 years (including the PS2), and it does still work today.
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With almost no frequency for the usage in a PS2, right?
Also, HDDs manufactured before 2012 usually requires less power supply. After that date all went different since 3.0 (which provides better amperage) started to be more and more available in low tier hardware (almost every H motherboards came with at least two ports when it was before only seen in B and Z) meaning manufacturers can "cheap" the production costs and their drives will mostly work fine in most places and, if they don't... well, the user will need to buy a new drive faster, so... win, win

Agrippa said:
Sorry, I am not responsible for improper USB implementations. Mass storage devices should be correctly recognised regardless if they are connected with or without the hub device.
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The HUB is what is not recognized, not the "mass device".
 
HWNJ said:
Oh, dude, there's so wrong at that phrase.
A adult human with no visits to the gym in his life, can lift a bag of 15 pounds, but will feel tired after walking some blocks lifting it.
A adult human who did at least some visits two times a week for five years to the nearest local gym in his life will walk with it and not feel tired.
That's the difference of using the Y cable and, of course, the act of being able to lift the bag is the correct startup.
A 1 year old kid, can't lift it... but that's not the point here...
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Sorry. I was taught about the Ohm's law in the school during the electricity courses. If they had taught me about the gym and powerlifting instead, I would have had the better knowledge on the subject for sure.
HWNJ said:
With almost no frequency for the usage in a PS2, right?
Also, HDDs manufactured before 2012 usually requires less power supply. After that date all went different since 3.0 (which provides better amperage) started to be more and more available in low tier hardware (almost every H motherboards came with at least two ports when it was before only seen in B and Z) meaning manufacturers can "cheap" the production costs and their drives will mostly work fine in most places and, if they don't... well, the user will need to buy a new drive faster, so... win, win
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The technology of hard drives inside the enclosures did not change at all. The amount of power they need to spin up the drive is the same regardless of the USB mode. As I stated before, my HDD is a USB 3.0 one. I was using it single plugged into the USB 2.0 (or maybe even 1.1, I do not remember truly speaking) port of my 2003 year PC motherboard with heavy use back then. I was using it single plugged into the PS2 too playing the games for more than 15 minutes. I have never experienced any connection loss or any other problem. I bought a Y cable eventually, because the drive could not spin up while plugged into the PS3 or the LG TV from 2015. Still no problems after all these years, apart from the large amount of power up time indicated in the SMART.
 
Agrippa said:
Sorry. I was taught about the Ohm's law in the school during the electricity courses. If they had taught me about the gym and powerlifting instead, I would have had the better knowledge on the subject for sure.
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I was making a comparison, and, you have certainly proven not to really understand what they told you at school... You can use more than the bare minimum...

Agrippa said:
The technology of hard drives inside the enclosures did not change at all.
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But the components inside did. Cheaper components, etc...

Agrippa said:
I have never experienced any connection loss or any other problem.
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These are possible issues of some drives, but not what will exactly make a "visibly working drive" suffer to death...
You might have been a lucky user or your HDD might be a really good quality one, but, again, that's not the most common case scenario.

And, let's just stop this conversation here... we're getting off-topic. If you want to continue the debate, I will gladly keep talking to you via DM or in a new dedicated thread in here: https://www.psx-place.com/forums/off-topic.20/
 
HWNJ said:
I was making a comparison, and, you have certainly proven not to really understand what they told you at school... You can use more than the bare minimum...


But the components inside did. Cheaper components, etc...


These are possible issues of some drives, but not what will exactly make a "visibly working drive" suffer to death...
You might have been a lucky user or your HDD might be a really good quality one, but, again, that's not the most common case scenario.

And, let's just stop this conversation here... we're getting off-topic. If you want to continue the debate, I will gladly keep talking to you via DM or in a new dedicated thread in here: https://www.psx-place.com/forums/off-topic.20/
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Is there a way to make the disc spin while the lid is open on the slim PS2?
 

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Touch and press the two points, one in the back and one in the front, it will spin. Also, take back the part that does friction on the disc.
 
Sorry for repeating this question by accident, lads. I had to reply by accident because I never saw my reply to the developer.
 
Press down here:
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Here too:
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And move this backwards to prevent it from touching the disc (causing friction on it and making it stop moving):
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I make it short:
You are BOTH "right & wrong" at the same time and I will provide the technical explanation.

CAN "not using a Y-Cable have an impact of the drive's lifespan"? YES, it can!

The reasons are 2.
  1. Spin-up sequence: When it spins up, it usually draws more power than when it spins. This might be MORE than what the PS2 can provide! Once it spins it draws less, but if it is too less to spin the motor in the same speed it is intended to, we run into problem -->
  2. HDDs are built to run at certain speeds. They are not like optical disc drives. They require a certain speed so that the head can truly "float" above the platter. If it runs slower, the head might touch the platter more easily!
Even different PS2-models can affect compatibility, especially when they are borderlining the HDD's required power-specs. An HDD might run on one PS2 without a Y-Cable and only with one on the same PS2-Version. One PS2 might have better caps in better condition than the other and so on.

The "clicking" on Spin-up hence kind of serves as a "protection", to not kill the disk but when it spins it usually "works"! That doesn't mean that it is "within specs" though...

My advice hence is also to use a Y-Cable or if the case has an additional power-connection, to use it!
 
HWNJ said:
Touch and press the two points, one in the back and one in the front, it will spin. Also, take back the part that does friction on the disc.
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I don't have the thingy that is stuck on the lid of the slim console.
So what should I use to make the disc automatically spin while the lid is open?
 
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Omar Aqoub said:
I don't have the thingy that is stuck on the lid of the slim console.
So what should I use to make the disc automatically spin while the lid is open?
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Something that pushes that in... Take some silicone, a piece of plastic or whatever and stuck it there.
If you're not too handy, let an adult do the work for you to avoid damaging the console...
 
HWNJ said:
Something that pushes that in... Take some silicone, a piece of plastic or whatever and stuck it there.
If you're not too handy, let an adult do the work for you to avoid damaging the console...
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I've added a piece of tissue in the first part which is above the power button.

What should I do next to make the disc automatically spin while the lid is open?
 

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