PS3 HAN Low Framerate Issues on PS3 : Any Fix via HAN Possible ?

RandomDude said:
Nope, ps3 is limited to first gen sata controllers so You would only get a maximum of 1.5Gbps transfer speed,
In short all that ssd speed is wasted because of its limitations & ALSO you won't see any increase in frames. (unless u had a bad hdd from the start)
All you might see is significant increase in loading times.
Better off with an 7200rpm drive than an ssd.
You could take that ssd of yours & throw it in your pc now.. it would be much better if you use your pc regularly.
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7200RPM HDD? What was that?...Don't want spend more bucks on slower disks.

I had been using this on PS3 since then, some games saw a huge performance increase when using SSD especially GT5 where it took looooooooooooonger time to load it!
 
amirzaim said:
7200RPM HDD? What was that?...Don't want spend more bucks on slower disks.

I had been using this on PS3 since then, some games saw a huge performance increase when using SSD especially GT5 where it took looooooooooooonger time to load it!
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hmmm... Looks like you didn't understand.
well, an SSD is still good but it would be worth more using it in your pc.
Just trying to make your life easier, trust me. It's your decision tho good to see you've visually noticed a difference. A 7200rpm drive is worth more for the price (Due to being much cheaper than an ssd & due to ps3 Sata Limitation.)

Have a nice day.
 
We have come a long way, to b@tch about the framerate! I remember as a kid, playing on the PS2, with games, that displayed a framerate way below 30/25fps.

Yes, a PC always will be superior, but a console was never designed to be on par with the PC in the first place. Hell even a PS3, we should consider ourselfs lucky, that the 360 and PS3, recived cross-gen games, as what comes to my mind, are Battlefield 4, MGS5 and many other, already pushing and screaming a 10+ year hardware.

I dispise these stupid, comparasions, like a PS4 its better than PC, or XBOX One X does 4K. None of them do 4K 60p, just PC.

And regarding Crysis, that game was already a benchmark, even for high end PCs back in the day, couldnt even barely run the game on a Core 2 Duo, let alone a PS3.

PS3 and 360 where never machines, to display native 720p or 1080p, yes there are some games, that have 1080p as a native resolution, but thats mostly remastered games or driving games like Forza or GT.

And whats all this, trash talk about, being ungrateful? Just a waste of time lads.
 
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amirzaim said:
One simple fix for low framerate: Put an SSD on PS3. Mine's had been enjoying FarCry 3 with decent framerate although can see framerate drops in certain areas especially scenes after capturing the radio tower.

SSD able to speed up loading process thus you can see some improvements.
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What kind of performance increase did you see? This is interesting to me because of the way that FC3 dynamically loads game world sectors from the HDD, with a slow HDD you would see stuttering all over the place.
 
lmn7 said:
What kind of performance increase did you see? This is interesting to me because of the way that FC3 dynamically loads game world sectors from the HDD, with a slow HDD you would see stuttering all over the place.
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Currently I'm using an 10 year old 500Gb 5400rpm drive from toshiba taken off of my laptop.
I've never felt stuttering/micro-stutters in game & almost completed 70% of the game.
Only experienced frame drops, like in a heavy area the fps would be 24-25fps constant nothing off putting tho.
 
RandomDude said:
Currently I'm using an 10 year old 500Gb 5400rpm drive from toshiba taken off of my laptop.
I've never felt stuttering/micro-stutters in game & almost completed 70% of the game.
Only experienced frame drops, like in a heavy area the fps would be 24-25fps constant nothing off putting tho.
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Yeah I'm aware of the frame drops, been playing this game on and off for a long time now, even made a custom patch to tweak the graphical settings and disable the horrible FXAA implementation which causes blurry textures everywhere. Maybe my HDD is bad, sometimes I'll notice small stutters when loading sectors and you can even see the texture pop in. Granted, this is all very normal considering the PS3 was 6 or so years old when the game released. It would be interesting to see the amount of difference an SSD actually makes, I've personally always believed it was minimal. Either way this game is definitely best played on PC.
 
lmn7 said:
What kind of performance increase did you see? This is interesting to me because of the way that FC3 dynamically loads game world sectors from the HDD, with a slow HDD you would see stuttering all over the place.
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Not having stuttering issues while roaming inside FC3, just having some framerate drops during a scene after capturing a radio tower. Anyway, I'm using SSD Sandisk X300 which I bought few years back and never used for booting Windows on any PC in my home.

As I told before, there's a lot of improvements since using SSD, especially cutting more loading times, especially installing updates from certain games like GT6.
 
RandomDude said:
Also If you're not willing on changing a tv and have a monitor aside, TRY THAT. I'm not even joking all Tv's do have about a 100-200ms input lag which isn't noticeable for most but it does have a big impact while comparing Tv's to monitors. I've tried Far Cry 3 and Nfsmw 2012 on a monitor & Hell was the monitor smooth af. Far Cry 3 Felt great at a fluid 30 frames, & Nfsmw2012 which runs at 30 fps Felt like f***in 60 frames. (Whenever i Play MP I use the monitor for advantage and SP games I use my TV for better Visual Quality since its perfectly callibrated and Upscales Images Pretty well imo.)
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Im not going to argue against that, but there is something important to consider i been reading about the other day
In HDMI v2.1 specification is supported a technology named VRR (variable refresh rate) that reduces the lag, the first TV manufacturer supporting VRR was samsung in the TVs manufactured at beginning of 2018
That samsung TVs from 2018 also supports freesync (from AMD)
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12997/hdmi-forum-demonstrates-hdmi-21-vrr-capabilities-on-samsung-tv

All this is supposed to reduce video lag to 10ms or so, and i guess this is going to become an standard in 2019

The point is... incase of buying a new TV in 2019 that HDMI v2.1 feature is a "must have" (together with 4k and HDR) if you plan to use the TV to play in it with a console or PC
 
lmn7 said:
...sometimes I'll notice small stutters when loading sectors and you can even see the texture pop in...
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That "texture poping" is one of the things that improves when using an SSD in PS3
There are some videos in youtube where it can be seen

The problem of using SSD in PS3 is some of them could be problematic, for normal operation seems to work fine, but when the PS3 does that hdd filesystem mainteinance checks the hdd can commit suicide and force you to format it and you lose all the contents of it
If your SSD doesnt have this problem, then nice... but if you are going to buy a SSD dedicated for the PS3 without knowing if you are going to have this problem is risky

Btw, the other day i saw a 120gb SSD brand "patriot" for 20€ \o/
It was slow for being an SSD but im mentioning it just as a proof of how cheap are becoming

An intermediate alternative are that hdds labeled as "hybrid"... internally have mechanical plates that spins (like an standard hdd), but also have some flash chips (like an SSD) that works as a buffer
The speed is close to an SDD, but are cheaper
Not sure if there are much of this because never was much popular, and nowdays the SDDs are pwning them
 
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lmn7 said:
Yeah I'm aware of the frame drops, been playing this game on and off for a long time now, even made a custom patch to tweak the graphical settings and disable the horrible FXAA implementation which causes blurry textures everywhere. Maybe my HDD is bad, sometimes I'll notice small stutters when loading sectors and you can even see the texture pop in. Granted, this is all very normal considering the PS3 was 6 or so years old when the game released. It would be interesting to see the amount of difference an SSD actually makes, I've personally always believed it was minimal. Either way this game is definitely best played on PC.
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Im pretty sure the game allocates resources by default so I think patching the graphics settings won't work?. (Not sure just a guess)
I mean it's stupid, but think about it GTA IV in its early stages wouldn't even run on high end hardware you see today. Why?
Lack of optimization. So if you were to patch the graphics and suppose put it to a lower res, it probably will play a game of downscale upscale, between your PS3, TV, HDMI which would result in horrendous input lag & no benefit in performance.

If something like patching graphics were an option you would have seen threads flooding with this topic, I'm sure you're not the first one.
if it actually works patch GTA V for us please, 144p 60fps (lmao),
Anyways good thinking my dude, Good Day!
also thanks for the info sandungas
 
sandungas said:
That "texture poping" is one of the things that improves when using an SSD in PS3
There are some videos in youtube where it can be seen

The problem of using SSD in PS3 is some of them could be problematic, for normal operation seems to work fine, but when the PS3 does that hdd filesystem mainteinance checks the hdd can commit suicide and force you to format it and you lose all the contents of it
If your SSD doesnt have this problem, then nice... but if you are going to buy a SSD dedicated for the PS3 without knowing if you are going to have this problem is risky

Btw, the other day i saw a 120gb SSD brand "patriot" for 20€ \o/
It was slow for being an SSD but im mentioning it just as a proof of how cheap are becoming

An intermediate alternative are that hdds labeled as "hybrid"... internally have mechanical plates that spins (like an standard hdd), but also have some flash chips (like an SSD) that works as a buffer
The speed is close to an SDD, but are cheaper
Not sure if there are much of this because never was much popular, and nowdays the SDDs are pwning them
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That's very interesting, thanks for sharing. To be honest I barely notice the texture pop-in in FC3, but it is somewhat distracting when I do. I don't think it's worth it to put an SSD in a PS3 tbh, just not enough incentive to buy one compared to PC. And dealing with those issues you mentioned is even more discouraging.

RandomDude said:
Im pretty sure the game allocates resources by default so I think patching the graphics settings won't work?. (Not sure just a guess)
I mean it's stupid, but think about it GTA IV in its early stages wouldn't even run on high end hardware you see today. Why?
Lack of optimization. So if you were to patch the graphics and suppose put it to a lower res, it probably will play a game of downscale upscale, between your PS3, TV, HDMI which would result in horrendous input lag & no benefit in performance.

If something like patching graphics were an option you would have seen threads flooding with this topic, I'm sure you're not the first one.
if it actually works patch GTA V for us please, 144p 60fps (lmao),
Anyways good thinking my dude, Good Day!
also thanks for the info sandungas
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I mean it's certainly possible to patch the game and tweak graphical settings to get better performance. The best example of this is in Mirror's Edge where I was able to disable VSync among other stuff and play at a somewhat stable 40-45 FPS for the majority of the levels, some levels even played at 60+ (with increased FOV too).

Changing the resolution is off limits though, I believe it's hardcoded in the EBOOT and I've never attempted to change it, I'm not even sure if you'd get decent results. It's a shame because you could really squeeze the most out of PS3 games if you were able to change this within settings like on PC.

Nevertheless, I was able to tweak a lot of games to get better performance out of them (Far Cry 3 included), so it most definitely works. I'm obviously not the first to do this either, but I guess the people who do this kind of stuff generally don't share their work, I guess that includes me? Lol
 
lmn7 said:
I mean it's certainly possible to patch the game and tweak graphical settings to get better performance. The best example of this is in Mirror's Edge where I was able to disable VSync among other stuff and play at a somewhat stable 40-45 FPS for the majority of the levels, some levels even played at 60+ (with increased FOV too).

Changing the resolution is off limits though, I believe it's hardcoded in the EBOOT and I've never attempted to change it, I'm not even sure if you'd get decent results. It's a shame because you could really squeeze the most out of PS3 games if you were able to change this within settings like on PC.

Nevertheless, I was able to tweak a lot of games to get better performance out of them (Far Cry 3 included), so it most definitely works. I'm obviously not the first to do this either, but I guess the people who do this kind of stuff generally don't share their work, I guess that includes me? Lol
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Wow that's a suprise...... so what file do you change for the fps?
Could you release the far Cry 3 Patch so I could test it out?
Thanks!, have a good day :)
 
RandomDude said:
Wow that's a suprise...... so what file do you change for the fps?
Could you release the far Cry 3 Patch so I could test it out?
Thanks!, have a good day :)
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AFAIK it's not possible to disable VSync in FC3 without modding the EBOOT so I never tried it. You'll still be playing at 30 FPS but the game will look a LOT less blurry and should run way smoother than the retail files. The FOV will also be slightly increased, among other shit I changed that I can't recall right now.

I'll have a look for the files and upload them here when I find them.
 
lmn7 said:
What's the game ID? I'll just make the pkg to save the trouble.
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how exactly am i supposed to get the game ID?
was it param.sfo editor using the far cry 3 saves?
Excuse me here, im rusty :P
Im pretty sure far cry 3 was downloaded using europe store.
 
RandomDude said:
how exactly am i supposed to get the game ID?
was it param.sfo editor using the far cry 3 saves?
Excuse me here, im rusty :P
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Save data uses disc ID, if you have the game pkg check that or use han toolbox file explorer to check. The game will have the data_ps3 dir inside USRDIR.
 
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