El_isra
Developer
Yes, no one has done nothing related to exfat prior to acid snake...
But making such a crazy statement like this one is nuts:
But making such a crazy statement like this one is nuts:
PS2 OPL freeze on black screen when launching a title
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gamerman 5000
Developer
If you can't prove it "wrong" you are in no position to say it is "crazy."
Appeal to the fact that "since no one did anything before then the conclusion is that the author had no intention of doing it"
you fell into POST HOC ERGO FALLACY.
"Reversing the burden of proof fallacy"
The person who makes a claim has to substantiate it in the first place, before anyone even CAN correctly falsify it.
"Appeal to tradition fallacy"
Was your wLE ISR made with the intention he claims? @El_isra
To have/get/add exFAT support?
We both know the answer to be "No!" for LE, uLE, wLE.
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gamerman 5000
Developer
@TnA
That's a disallowed "goal" my friend. Since it seems that you did not read the part in which I gave you the benefit of the doubt and even enacted in your favor.
With this I am acknowledging that I have no way of proving it but neither do you.
Now, @El_isra made a statement saying that what I said is "crazy" implying that he has the truth but he appealed to the fallacy already admonished.
In other words, I have no problem admitting that I cannot prove it, it is your who cling to a statement that you have not been able to prove.
But the fact that something is a fallacy unless it is refuted can be both true and false hence the benefit of the doubt.
It is not a Fallacy of appeal "to tradition" it is an alternative that is being discarded by appealing to the fallacy already reprimanded.
The question he asks @El_isra is out of place since he himself says that the project was started by others and not him.
@El_isra
So you are one of those who throw "stones from the stands and then hide."
You made a statement saying that what I said is "crazy" that is, you presume that you have a truth but then you don't.
Tell it to @TnA who asks you an out of place question.
Knowledge is never "nonsense" my friend, if it is for you then it is your business. Turning to @akuhak, also being one of its initiators, seems very accurate and valid to me.
That's a disallowed "goal" my friend. Since it seems that you did not read the part in which I gave you the benefit of the doubt and even enacted in your favor.
With this I am acknowledging that I have no way of proving it but neither do you.
Now, @El_isra made a statement saying that what I said is "crazy" implying that he has the truth but he appealed to the fallacy already admonished.
In other words, I have no problem admitting that I cannot prove it, it is your who cling to a statement that you have not been able to prove.
But the fact that something is a fallacy unless it is refuted can be both true and false hence the benefit of the doubt.
It is not a Fallacy of appeal "to tradition" it is an alternative that is being discarded by appealing to the fallacy already reprimanded.
The question he asks @El_isra is out of place since he himself says that the project was started by others and not him.
@El_isra
So you are one of those who throw "stones from the stands and then hide."
You made a statement saying that what I said is "crazy" that is, you presume that you have a truth but then you don't.
Tell it to @TnA who asks you an out of place question.
Knowledge is never "nonsense" my friend, if it is for you then it is your business. Turning to @akuhak, also being one of its initiators, seems very accurate and valid to me.
Correct! The "scientific method (of working)" DEMANDS the person which makes a positive statement to substantiate it in various means (which he did not do).
A properly conducted falsification can ONLY be done, if the arguments FOR a positive claim are substentiated in the first place!
Yupp, we both did. Let's hope @akuhak knows the answer regarding wLE and "the intention of adding exFAT" ("and that's why it was made") , even though @gamerman 5000 pointed out that he meant your fork that he linked, which is why I tagged/mentioned you.
Aku could certainly answer it for wLE, but I guess that you are saying that the claim he made is NOT true for "wLE ISR" at least, right?
??? Please elaborate.
I read it. You started with the fallacy-arguments, hence I thought I'd show you the mirror.
That's the point... I did not make a positive claim. You did... You have to substantiate your claim. Noone has to "prove you wrong" or falsify your claim, especially if you haven't substantiated it in the first place.
He did not imply anything. He stated what your claim IS, as long as it remains UNSUBSTANTIATED and un-/non-falsifiable!
Adding to that, he DOES know the truth and tells you that you are wrong, hence he did NOT fall into that fallacy which requires assumptions to be made. Assumptions that you made without verifying them...
I'd say he verified your claim being wrong for his wLE ISR at the very least and AKuHAK can probably confirm it being wrong for wLE.
YOU made a claim which YOU have to substantiate and hence neither of us countering your claim are in any way required to prove nor falsify anything, nor do we cling to anything...
We tell you the facts and you can't admit that you made an unsubstantiated claim...
Sigh... You still got to learn a lot, if you seriously want to apply that way of arguing.
The fallacy you claimed he has done isn't valid in the first place, because YOU failed to substantiate YOUR claim and my argument of your sentence being an "Appeal to tradition" stands.
Out of place??? YOU asked, if I mean the wLE you have linked... Now we tagged the devs of wLE as well as wLE ISR.
The Dev of wLE ISR already tells you that it is nonsense (most likely referring to his version)... Let's see what Aku says regarding wLE.
No... He is RIGHT according to the scientific method of working! YOU made a claim! YOU have to substantiate it!
You CAN'T? Then he has no obligation to falsify your claim!
You also just made another false claim, that he is "presuming the truth" which you can't substantiate either and which is misinformation AGAIN, because he DOES indeed know the truth and doesn't "presume" it...
Ad hominem, false equivalecy, Texas sharpshooter, red hearing, etc.
It wasn't out of place at all... He can answer the question and hence debunk your claim regarding wLE ISR, which you made sure to ask me if it is the version you have linked... Did you forget that?
True, but by "nonsense" he is not referring to "knowledge" but YOUR "unsubstantiated (and false) claims" and that you defend them trying to argue which fallacies other supposedly commit, whilst you can't see which you do at the same time...
gamerman 5000
Developer
@TnA
They are not arguments, they are warnings that can be refuted if the opponent has arguments (in my case i admitted not having them and as I said, unless they are refuted, they can be true or false, read again).
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM I'm sorry for not satisfying your little whim, my friend, I repeat that I recognized that I didn't have a way to prove it, that's why I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Repeating it over and over again will not give you the truth or reason.
Although the negatives are also demonstrated, you made a positive statement by saying "Misinformation...".
You are the one who, because of a "tantrum", is reversing the burden of proof on someone who has already admitted not having them and that you forcefully want to assign the burden of proof to him, capisci?
FALLACY OF FREE AFFIRMATION to say that "I'm not implying anything" when he's clearly saying that what I'm saying is "crazy" without then justifying it. Why are you speaking for him? Can't he defend himself?
CONTRADICTION 1 On the one hand you say that "He not implying anything" on the other you say that he does know the truth Finally, he implying that he have the truth or not? Saying that "he didn't fall into fallacy" just because of your tantrum is not very convenient on your part.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM It has already been made clear that he did not start the project, clinging to that argument over and over again will not give you the truth or reason.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM Once again I repeat that I have already admitted that I do not have the means to prove it, I am sorry for not fulfilling your whim, my friend, wanting to forcibly assign the burden of proof to me when I have already admitted that do not have the means to do so will not give you the truth or the reason. .
The negative ones are also demonstrated and you cling to your statement but then you can't prove it and that's why you are suffering. Avoid suffering by admitting that you can't prove it either, only until @akuhac corroborates or denies otherwise you will continue giving a bad show.
CONTRADICTION 2 on the one hand you say "that they do not cling to anything" on the other hand you say that they "tell the facts" or do they cling to nothing or do they cling to the "facts"? which they have not been able to prove.
The saying "the donkey talking from ears" sticks to you, you are the one who must learn that I am not arguing, I am admonishing your very fallacies that can be true or false unless they are refuted and it is your who cling to your statements,put it more eager.
hehehe I couldn't help but laugh, I'm sorry.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM I repeat to you that I admitted not having the way to prove it, so I regret not fulfilling your whim, repeating over and over again that by force I have to substantiate it is already an obsessed whim of yours.
CONTRADICTION 3 On the one hand you say that you do not "clutch to anything" on the other hand you say that "what I say is not valid" finally, do you not cling to anything or do you cling to the fact that my statement "is not valid"?
SCARECROW FALLACY you twist the words to your convenience by changing my question.
I said and I quote:
Of course we are talking about the one found in the link I provided where the author is @El_isra, right?
I asked about the author, not what you're referring to, and the guy you defend so much said that he didn't start it, so it's out of place.
CONTRADICTION 4 Had you said that "they don't cling to anything" if they don't cling to anything why do you cling to the fact that he "is right"?
It comes back to the same thing, that a project in its beginnings does not have a certain support does not mean that the author has not thought about it before.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM Your obsession because I have to force myself to substantiate when I already admitted that I have no way of doing so is leaving you in a bad position.
CONTRADICTION 5 You say that my statement that he is "insinuating to have the truth" is false and that it is erroneous information and then corroborate that he does know the truth, finally?
If you intend to at least reprimand, study the fallacies well and then you will be able to reprimand with its corresponding justification, keep trying.
Since you fell into the SCARECROW FALLACY previously and I already explained what my question was, instead you continue to be left without a platform to hold onto therefore you are still out of place, it is not up to him to respond but rather to the initiators.
Again, why do you think and answer for him? Do He need someone to defend He? Whatever he says to him, it is up to him to answer no to your AD CONDITIONALLIS fallacies of assuming what he is referring to, you can barely support yourself, believe me, I do not recommend making You "shield."
AD NAUSEAM FALLACY I repeat again, I am not arguing because I already admitted that I do not have a way to prove it at that point, in the rest I am refuting you as in this fallacy because you are obsessing over the fact that by force I have to substantiate when I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, if you don't know what that is, investigate it, I'm not going to do the complete homework for you.
Now just because I sympathize, I'm going to try to save you from this scenario so that you don't continue to look bad and avoid more embarrassment, so I'll point out the mistakes you made.
1.-You don't pay much attention to what your opponent tells you.
2.-Not having the humility to recognize that you cannot prove your statements either.
They are not arguments, they are warnings that can be refuted if the opponent has arguments (in my case i admitted not having them and as I said, unless they are refuted, they can be true or false, read again).
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM I'm sorry for not satisfying your little whim, my friend, I repeat that I recognized that I didn't have a way to prove it, that's why I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Repeating it over and over again will not give you the truth or reason.
Although the negatives are also demonstrated, you made a positive statement by saying "Misinformation...".
You are the one who, because of a "tantrum", is reversing the burden of proof on someone who has already admitted not having them and that you forcefully want to assign the burden of proof to him, capisci?
FALLACY OF FREE AFFIRMATION to say that "I'm not implying anything" when he's clearly saying that what I'm saying is "crazy" without then justifying it. Why are you speaking for him? Can't he defend himself?
CONTRADICTION 1 On the one hand you say that "He not implying anything" on the other you say that he does know the truth Finally, he implying that he have the truth or not? Saying that "he didn't fall into fallacy" just because of your tantrum is not very convenient on your part.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM It has already been made clear that he did not start the project, clinging to that argument over and over again will not give you the truth or reason.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM Once again I repeat that I have already admitted that I do not have the means to prove it, I am sorry for not fulfilling your whim, my friend, wanting to forcibly assign the burden of proof to me when I have already admitted that do not have the means to do so will not give you the truth or the reason. .
The negative ones are also demonstrated and you cling to your statement but then you can't prove it and that's why you are suffering. Avoid suffering by admitting that you can't prove it either, only until @akuhac corroborates or denies otherwise you will continue giving a bad show.
CONTRADICTION 2 on the one hand you say "that they do not cling to anything" on the other hand you say that they "tell the facts" or do they cling to nothing or do they cling to the "facts"? which they have not been able to prove.
The saying "the donkey talking from ears" sticks to you, you are the one who must learn that I am not arguing, I am admonishing your very fallacies that can be true or false unless they are refuted and it is your who cling to your statements,put it more eager.
hehehe I couldn't help but laugh, I'm sorry.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM I repeat to you that I admitted not having the way to prove it, so I regret not fulfilling your whim, repeating over and over again that by force I have to substantiate it is already an obsessed whim of yours.
CONTRADICTION 3 On the one hand you say that you do not "clutch to anything" on the other hand you say that "what I say is not valid" finally, do you not cling to anything or do you cling to the fact that my statement "is not valid"?
SCARECROW FALLACY you twist the words to your convenience by changing my question.
I said and I quote:
Of course we are talking about the one found in the link I provided where the author is @El_isra, right?
I asked about the author, not what you're referring to, and the guy you defend so much said that he didn't start it, so it's out of place.
CONTRADICTION 4 Had you said that "they don't cling to anything" if they don't cling to anything why do you cling to the fact that he "is right"?
It comes back to the same thing, that a project in its beginnings does not have a certain support does not mean that the author has not thought about it before.
FALLACY AD NAUSEAM Your obsession because I have to force myself to substantiate when I already admitted that I have no way of doing so is leaving you in a bad position.
CONTRADICTION 5 You say that my statement that he is "insinuating to have the truth" is false and that it is erroneous information and then corroborate that he does know the truth, finally?
If you intend to at least reprimand, study the fallacies well and then you will be able to reprimand with its corresponding justification, keep trying.
Since you fell into the SCARECROW FALLACY previously and I already explained what my question was, instead you continue to be left without a platform to hold onto therefore you are still out of place, it is not up to him to respond but rather to the initiators.
Again, why do you think and answer for him? Do He need someone to defend He? Whatever he says to him, it is up to him to answer no to your AD CONDITIONALLIS fallacies of assuming what he is referring to, you can barely support yourself, believe me, I do not recommend making You "shield."
AD NAUSEAM FALLACY I repeat again, I am not arguing because I already admitted that I do not have a way to prove it at that point, in the rest I am refuting you as in this fallacy because you are obsessing over the fact that by force I have to substantiate when I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, if you don't know what that is, investigate it, I'm not going to do the complete homework for you.
Now just because I sympathize, I'm going to try to save you from this scenario so that you don't continue to look bad and avoid more embarrassment, so I'll point out the mistakes you made.
1.-You don't pay much attention to what your opponent tells you.
2.-Not having the humility to recognize that you cannot prove your statements either.
Nadoriadoga
Member
Gosh! This blew up into an argument!
I just want to know if I should be able to install FHDB on my exFAT HDD. I got my console to register the HDD again, yet the menu on wLE 4.43_isr still shows up empty. I know it isn't since OPL can read all 178 games on there.
Any ideas, anyone?
I just want to know if I should be able to install FHDB on my exFAT HDD. I got my console to register the HDD again, yet the menu on wLE 4.43_isr still shows up empty. I know it isn't since OPL can read all 178 games on there.
Any ideas, anyone?
El_isra
Developer
What you're asking will never be possible unless FreeMcBoot/FreeHdBoot become open source... Wich will NEVER happen
Nadoriadoga
Member
Okay. I had been told I should be able to as wLE supposedly can read exFAT, and as there is a program to install FHDB using a .ELF file as well as some downloadable folders. However, having a more trustworthy source say this means I can finally stop racking my brain for this, so thank you for the swift, helpful and concise reply
El_isra
Developer
I could make PS2BBL version capable of running apps from Exfat HDD. But you'll still need to run it from mc
Nadoriadoga
Member
Running it from MC is fine, that's how I've had it for a long while. My main annoyance is that OPL must be launched from USB to play games so I must keep a USB stick plugged in basically at all times. I had been told this would be fixed by installing FHDB, hence me trying that. So things running from MC would be preferred.
Sorry, but what is PS2BBL? I've only kinda looked into the big stuff being mentioned everywhere and have missed this
Sorry, but what is PS2BBL? I've only kinda looked into the big stuff being mentioned everywhere and have missed this
I'm using the exFat version of OPL, even using zso game format. Everything launches fine from my FMCB v1.966
I indeed have the blank HDD page at startup, forcing me to input "left" to get my actual gamelist, which is weird.
Regarding black screen on loading games, have you tried Mode 1 compatibiliy ? And most of all, disabling "PS2 logo" in settings? This is known to cause black screens
I indeed have the blank HDD page at startup, forcing me to input "left" to get my actual gamelist, which is weird.
Regarding black screen on loading games, have you tried Mode 1 compatibiliy ? And most of all, disabling "PS2 logo" in settings? This is known to cause black screens
That's not weird at all... You are using a BDM Device (internal HDD with exFAT) and have the NORMAL internal HDD page set to default........... User-error!
Oswald.C.K
Forum Noob
I use the same method to lauch titles, 2 usb sticks, 1 fat32 which I use to launch opl, and 2 exfat to launch the game but still getting a black screen, any solution to this?
