PS3 Phat PS3 CECHC with 65nm RSX

Hello everyone thought I would post this as I recently delided a ps3 I got off ebay which is a CECHC03 model which is the only backwards ps2 compatible we got here in the uk and I noticed the rsx looked smaller than I remember from the other phat bc ps3s and I had to look twice but this model has a 65nm RSX. Has anyone ever come across this.

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Does the C model work? There are few people in UK who can confirm that ( I may contact). Reballed few of them in UK from 2016 to 2018 and less sold from Romania to UK between 2018 and 2020. Never seen any unusual rsx in phat models. I was about to confirm here in forums when first heard about A model. Had like over 100 units from some people who sold them and return for repair/refund. Running service over there mostly I fixed slim models. Phat were hard to fix without tools at that time. Mostly fixing by delid on C models.
Anyway I didn't get/seen personally any model with strange rsx.
I can not see photo attached to thread. Maybe tapatalk app wired issue.
What I have seen before in ps3hax though it's impossible looking on different parts on mobos. Now it is something real. Know in some similar PCI graphics was possible to add with eprom modified for those ic.
 
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Wow, this is amazing yes.
The system is working fine right?

Since you didn't notice anything obviously strange (modchips, wires etc) besides the smaller RSX, this can be the missing frankenstein V1 without black magic; (the official way)
As Elgris says, until now we only knew about the 40nm retrofit, and from Japan. We assumed this 65nm one existed too, but now you found one.

We need all pictures you can take, and every information you can think of;

Wattage/temperature tests, syscon/version information
Where you got the thing from, was it warranty sealed and so on...

Cheers
 
@vyktormvmpay25

there you go https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7-7MXh5PbzvyOWawkDfyygPx9_HQs01/view
Wow, this is amazing yes.
The system is working fine right?

Since you didn't notice anything obviously strange (modchips, wires etc) besides the smaller RSX, this can be the missing frankenstein V1 without black magic; (the official way)
As Elgris says, until now we only knew about the 40nm retrofit, and from Japan. We assumed this 65nm one existed too, but now you found one.

We need all pictures you can take, and every information you can think of;

Wattage/temperature tests, syscon/version information
Where you got the thing from, was it warranty sealed and so on...

Cheers
I don't even understand how people managed to put a freaking mod chip in a PS3 to begin with LOL.
 
@tristen8878 Firstly, great find!!! Second, please don't disappear!

As others have noted, yes we have seen a VERY few number of SONY refurbished consoles in the wild with 40nm RSX chips. They have special firmware that enables the RSX and there are a few hardware changes to the motherboard itself (just a couple of small resistors under the RSX that are slightly moved. However, we haven't been able to get very clear pictures from the original owners of the console to confirm these are the only changes.) So we desperately need some good pictures of the bottom side of your board!!! Could you please take a bunch of pics and upload to the forum? You should be able to just drop them into to reply box to attach them.

Without the special firmware, you can't just swap for a 65nm or 40nm RSX. However, there is a mod chip that claims to allow it, but we are investigating that at the moment. If there is a mod chip like the one we've been testing out in the Frankenstein PHAT PS3: CECHA with 40nm RSX thread, then it'll be on the bottom side of the board. So pretty pretty please, can we trouble you for some photos of the backside of the board?

If it's a mod chip, then we are looking for something like this:
20210323_161116-jpg.32337

rsx-mod-cg-reset-2-png.32005


If it's a SONY refurbished unit then we're looking for in focus hi-resolution photos of the entire motherboard, so we can confirm the hardware changes. Also, we need the firmware dump. @M4j0r knows how to dump the firmware and what else we might need to hopefully replicate the mod.

@tristen8878 The end goal is to make every BC model as reliable as a slim model. SONY isn't talking, so we have to reverse engineer it. You are holding the key! Sorry, but the weight of history rests on your shoulders. You have been drafted into the service of retro preservation. Don't let us down, son...lol!
 
Ok seems modified by some 3rd service? Not very clear. Could we get more photos? Compare with resistors of Frankenstein thread A model?
Yeah, that's a good point. A models are COK-001 revision motherboard and this one is COK-002. There are 2 capacitors that are populated on a COK-001 that are not on a COK-002. If we see it put back on for this COK-002, then it confirms the need for it. If it's a mod chip, then we can confirm the wiring. If it's a refirb, then we can confirm the HW changes needed on a COK-002, which we haven't seen before. That's good news for you UK guys!
 
Does the C model work? There are few people in UK who can confirm that ( I may contact). Reballed few of them in UK from 2016 to 2018 and less sold from Romania to UK between 2018 and 2020. Never seen any unusual rsx in phat models. I was about to confirm here in forums when first heard about A model. Had like over 100 units from some people who sold them and return for repair/refund. Running service over there mostly I fixed slim models. Phat were hard to fix without tools at that time. Mostly fixing by delid on C models.
Anyway I didn't get/seen personally any model with strange rsx.
I can not see photo attached to thread. Maybe tapatalk app wired issue.
What I have seen before in ps3hax though it's impossible looking on different parts on mobos. Now it is something real. Know in some similar PCI graphics was possible to add with eprom modified for those ic.
After contacting the seller I bought it off I can confirm that this ps3 was sent off to Sony for repair in its life which is probably why its got a different rsx chip. With syscon fan settings stay at 25% fan speed as the cell is at about 70 degrees and rsx is about 68 to 75 degrees but never hits 80 like my old 90nm fat model.

@tristen8878 Firstly, great find!!! Second, please don't disappear!

As others have noted, yes we have seen a VERY few number of SONY refurbished consoles in the wild with 40nm RSX chips. They have special firmware that enables the RSX and there are a few hardware changes to the motherboard itself (just a couple of small resistors under the RSX that are slightly moved. However, we haven't been able to get very clear pictures from the original owners of the console to confirm these are the only changes.) So we desperately need some good pictures of the bottom side of your board!!! Could you please take a bunch of pics and upload to the forum? You should be able to just drop them into to reply box to attach them.

Without the special firmware, you can't just swap for a 65nm or 40nm RSX. However, there is a mod chip that claims to allow it, but we are investigating that at the moment. If there is a mod chip like the one we've been testing out in the Frankenstein PHAT PS3: CECHA with 40nm RSX thread, then it'll be on the bottom side of the board. So pretty pretty please, can we trouble you for some photos of the backside of the board?

If it's a mod chip, then we are looking for something like this:
20210323_161116-jpg.32337

rsx-mod-cg-reset-2-png.32005


If it's a SONY refurbished unit then we're looking for in focus hi-resolution photos of the entire motherboard, so we can confirm the hardware changes. Also, we need the firmware dump. @M4j0r knows how to dump the firmware and what else we might need to hopefully replicate the mod.

@tristen8878 The end goal is to make every BC model as reliable as a slim model. SONY isn't talking, so we have to reverse engineer it. You are holding the key! Sorry, but the weight of history rests on your shoulders. You have been drafted into the service of retro preservation. Don't let us down, son...lol!
OK I will tear down the Ps3 again and take loads of pictures of the motherboard on the front and back I will upload a folder on my Google drive with all the images will post back when I have done.
 
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I apologize if this isn't much help, but back in February someone sent me a CECH-A01 with a 45nm GPU to get the Tokins replaced. I did take a couple photos of both sides of the board, but that's about it. I still have contact with the owner, but will likely never see his console again.
 

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I apologize if this isn't much help, but back in February someone sent me a CECH-A01 with a 45nm GPU to get the Tokins replaced. I did take a couple photos of both sides of the board, but that's about it. I still have contact with the owner, but will likely never see his console again.
Here's the changes made to that board @Sampsonay. They are consistent with SONY's 40nm refurbished board we've seen already, but more pics are always needed to hopefully spot any other changes. I wish this was higher resolution though. Oh well.
Sampsonay's 40nm CECHA.png

R2002 on the right there is not populated on COK-002 boards. I'm interested to see if SONY populated it for OP's board. The mod chip says it's needed for COK-002 boards, so I wonder if it's the same for SONY's method.
 
After contacting the seller I bought it off I can confirm that this ps3 was sent off to Sony for repair in its life which is probably why its got a different rsx chip. With syscon fan settings stay at 25% fan speed as the cell is at about 70 degrees and rsx is about 68 to 75 degrees but never hits 80 like my old 90nm fat model.


OK I will tear down the Ps3 again and take loads of pictures of the motherboard on the front and back I will upload a folder on my Google drive with all the images will post back when I have done.
That'll be great. Could you also post a picture of the following...
  1. Go to XMB [Settings] > [System] > [System Information]
  2. Press simultaneously:dir left: :but l1::but r1::but square: for a few seconds
  3. Release those buttons then immediately press :but start: and keep it held
  4. While holding :but start:, press:dir left: once to have the menu stay up on it's own.
Take a picture of that screen and upload. This shows the firmware revision and some useful breadcrumbs that could help us out.
 
After contacting the seller I bought it off I can confirm that this ps3 was sent off to Sony for repair in its life which is probably why its got a different rsx chip. With syscon fan settings stay at 25% fan speed as the cell is at about 70 degrees and rsx is about 68 to 75 degrees but never hits 80 like my old 90nm fat model.


OK I will tear down the Ps3 again and take loads of pictures of the motherboard on the front and back I will upload a folder on my Google drive with all the images will post back when I have done.
Before you go any further would you be able to tell us what it says for the syscon in the more system information screen?
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/More_System_Information
And a clearer picture of the actual syscon chip?
Some users on here have suggested that it may say "0F29" for the syscon firmware version.
 
It seems my try of summoning sandungas didn't work.
A bit late but it did :P
@tristen8878 to get an idea at how important is this take a look at this post written by @m4jor he has been involved in the last published syscon hacks so he knows very well what he is talking about
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/f...cecha-with-40nm-rsx.28069/page-17#post-277510
Yes, build id 0F38 is used on COK-001 refurbs, the version is v1.5.1k2, the rom suffix is 304. It has already been dumped.
What's still missing is 0F29/303 which is also v1.5, and the 0C16/202 + 0D52/203 firmwares (https://pastebin.com/EXDxPQ0y)
Is not only related with RSX replacements, but with the research about finding syscon exploits (that could affect all PS3 models), as an important part of that research is needed to complete the collection of syscon firmwares, and your PS3 seems to be the only one missing :rolleyes:

The first thing we would like to see is the info displayed in this screen mentioned by @RIP-Felix
  1. Go to XMB [Settings] > [System] > [System Information]
  2. Press simultaneously:dir left: :but l1::but r1::but square: for a few seconds
  3. Release those buttons then immediately press :but start: and keep it held
  4. While holding :but start:, press:dir left: once to have the menu stay up on it's own.
Take a picture of that screen and upload. This shows the firmware revision and some useful breadcrumbs that could help us out.
To be clear... it should display 0F29.0001000500000002 @ SC
Check this post reported by @DoublesAdvocate, it was the frankenstein v2 (with a 40nm RSX), and your PS3 probably is the frankenstein v1
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/f...cecha-with-40nm-rsx.28069/page-17#post-277503
 
A bit late but it did :P
@tristen8878 to get an idea at how important is this take a look at this post written by @m4jor he has been involved in the last published syscon hacks so he knows very well what he is talking about
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/f...cecha-with-40nm-rsx.28069/page-17#post-277510

Is not only related with RSX replacements, but with the research about finding syscon exploits (that could affect all PS3 models), as an important part of that research is needed to complete the collection of syscon firmwares, and your PS3 seems to be the only one missing :rolleyes:

The first thing we would like to see is the info displayed in this screen mentioned by @RIP-Felix

To be clear... it should display 0F29.0001000500000002 @ SC
Check this post reported by @DoublesAdvocate, it was the frankenstein v2 (with a 40nm RSX), and your PS3 probably is the frankenstein v1
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/f...cecha-with-40nm-rsx.28069/page-17#post-277503

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOA0Q2mK1nc7LYDWHyGEpfnH1zV8m3Ax/view?usp=sharing

When I get home from work tonight I will tear it down and get some photos of the motherboard front and back.
 
uploaded a folder on my google drive with a bunch of close up images of the motherboard for you guys.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1z7H7xHAC8wZoZdYiwpuf9IwxbF78K_3N?usp=sharing
Thanks man, but they need also that button combo on "System information", there's important data they need to compare.

Also, I can see by the pictures you have a dirty RSX die. Also is strange to have a so fluxed board coming from Sony. Maybe the actual seller reflowed it? If you want a few advices of how to improve a little bit the cooling pm me.
 

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