PS3 Phat PS3 CECHC with 65nm RSX

uploaded a folder on my google drive with a bunch of close up images of the motherboard for you guys.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1z7H7xHAC8wZoZdYiwpuf9IwxbF78K_3N?usp=sharing
Dude that's awesome! Thanks!!!

A few thing I noticed:
  1. SYSCON chip is a CXR714120-303GB and appears to have flux residue around it. Looks to have been removed and replaced. That chip is unknown according to the PS3 Dev wiki (there are 301GB and 302GB, but not a 303GB). @sandungas will probably want to add it in. I'm sure @M4j0r will be interested in it as well. I'm sure they will want a dump of the FW. Definitely a missing link here.
  2. R2001/2 are unchanged using SONY's method. It's still hard to see what's going on with the CGreset, but it's clear that R2054 is being tied to GND. @tristen8878 could you clean that area with some Isopropyl alcohol, acetone, or goof off (if you have it)? If you have a magnifying glass or macro lens, that will allow your phone/camera to focus on close objects. Also, could you probe R2054 using a multimeter set to resistance and tells us the reading? If it's a 0K resistor it'll be under 1 Ohm. We need to confirm if that's R2153, the 10K resistor that was removed. The mod chip says that's supposed to be a 10K resistor, but we have never actually measured it's resistance, so we don't which SONY's method uses.
    C with a 65nm RSX HW Changes 1.jpg
 
Thanks man, but they need also that button combo on "System information", there's important data they need to compare.

Also, I can see by the pictures you have a dirty RSX die. Also is strange to have a so fluxed board coming from Sony. Maybe the actual seller reflowed it? If you want a few advices of how to improve a little bit the cooling pm me.
I think he already did in the earlier post?
It is indeed the missing 0F29... Nice.

As for the dirty board... Yeah looks a bit suspicious but, there's also flux residue in the other key areas like the resistors and the new 303 SYSCON chip, so not just the RSX.
After all, this is no longer Japan we're talking about. Maybe some authorized service center guy did the thing and were a bit sloppier with the job and cleanup.

Either way, good things are there, dirty or not. Plus it's working. The temperatures are OK I guess, even if they could surely be improved a bit it should be more than OK.
 
What about mod Xc2c32a, how it works, when it patches, where it should detect which rsx and location, this data is somehow stored in nand/nor? I don't really know nothing till now about programming but I'm sure each unit have rsx instructions in nand/nor.
If we may have to change simply instructions from a rsx to another?
Like PCI graphics card with patch of bios were gpu was a bit newer than the original version ?
Edit
When we install the PUP on unit it knows by soft id in syscon which instructions to choose for that unit. If we know rsx instructions in nand/nor on different units and those will remain fixed values could lead further?
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I have asked a service în Greece today about this kind of service and they didn't find any of them on market, bought from them about 40 units and just delided cpu in 2012 . Mostly sold on ebay from them as not working/parts , only rsx was refurbished with thermal adhesive arctic and I did not touch it because rsx was already with good temperatures.
All were working fine, apart cpu delided, with minimal firmware on all.
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Thank you for your clarification @M4j0r!
PUP is changing only syscon patch firmware.
 
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Yes, build id 0F38 is used on COK-001 refurbs, the version is v1.5.1k2, the rom suffix is 304. It has already been dumped.
What's still missing is 0F29/303 which is also v1.5, and the 0C16/202 + 0D52/203 firmwares (https://pastebin.com/EXDxPQ0y)
So this console represents the earlier revision of the "frankenstein" firmware. Is the current hypothesis that it only adds support for the 65nm chip instead of both the 65nm and 40nm, like the 0F38/304 v1.5 does? Or is it possible they needed a second revision because of the different HW present on COK-002 boards? Seeing how 0F29 was found on a COK-002, that is suspicious, no?

What does the OP need to do to dump the firmware? Is it something he would be able to do?
 
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOA0Q2mK1nc7LYDWHyGEpfnH1zV8m3Ax/view?usp=sharing

When I get home from work tonight I will tear it down and get some photos of the motherboard front and back.
Thanks is the final confirmation of lot of speculation that started years ago, i uploaded your photo here and i been updating also many other pages in psdevwiki :encouragement:
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Talk:More_System_Information#Screenshot_examples

Can you make me a favour ?, is something a bit unrelated but im curious because i was looking at it the other day
If you still have the IHS of the RSX, please check his model, im guessing is a CXD2991GB, or CXD2991CGB, or CXD2991EGB, or CXD2991GGB, because this ones are the last RSX models manufactured in 65nm

My bigger doubt is... by reading the info in psdevwiki it seems all the 65nm RSX models equal or older than this ones im mentioning (CXD2991 series) are supposed to have 4 memory chips made by Infineon/Qimonda HYB18H512322AF-14 (the 4 chips at the corners of RSX that can be seen in your photos covered with lot of thermal adhesive)... but in your photos it can be seen that are made by SAMSUNG !
So... can you cleanup a bit the samsung chips at the corners of RSX ?, enought to read his model name ? (try to dont scratch them and dont use alcohol that could remove the names "printed" in them)
I dont need photos btw, if you write the model here will be good enought, is something like... K4J52...???...-14

That 2 names could be handy for psdevwiki documenting purposes, RSX model, and VRAM chips model
 
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So this console represents the earlier revision of the "frankenstein" firmware. Is the current hypothesis that it only adds support for the 65nm chip instead of both the 65nm and 40nm, like the 0F38/304 v1.5 does? Or is it possible they needed a second revision because of the different HW present on COK-002 boards? Seeing how 0F29 was found on a COK-002, that is suspicious, no?
It only adds support for the 65nm chip. The 303GB and 304GB support all boards which originally had a CXR syscon.
 
we're only missing the dump from this specific mullion syscon. every other syscon has already been dumped
 
@tristen8878 Do you still have this board? Would you like to trade this for experimental purpose. Please let me know if you wish to sell it, didn't read full thread but if anyone finds or want to sell any this type of unit even faulty I'm willing to pay. That syscon can be our key.
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By any chance would you like to dump syscon an share with developers. That will probably help.
 
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@tristen8878 Do you still have this board? Would you like to trade this for experimental purpose. Please let me know if you wish to sell it, didn't read full thread but if anyone finds or want to sell any this type of unit even faulty I'm willing to pay. That syscon can be our key.
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By any chance would you like to dump syscon an share with developers. That will probably help.
I know this thread has been dead for a while and I've just fallen off the face off the earth but would you still need this board as I gave this ps3 to my dad to use for a while but I will probably be getting it back soon am just wondering how far have things come now would you still need the board as I would like to keep it if I can because i don't think am going to find another Ps3 like this.
 
See this thread and post...
Some interesting news:
I received a test console (DIA-002 with 40nm RSX and CXR713F120A Syscon) from @vyktormvmpay25 :)
And that did some extreme speed up to the 40nm RSX Syscon patches development.

First I tried to copy the official Sony procedure, for that I flashed the 304GB (v1.5.1k2) firmware to the Syscon and performed the following patches to the original (DIA-002) EEPROM:
Code:
Fix thermal config unk:     w 348B 8B
                            w 34AF 8B
Change RSX version to 40nm: w 3912 30
Write new training data:    w 3F62 EF 87 F9 19
                            w 3F69 07 F9 1D
                            w 3F6F 1F F9 0D
                            w 3F74 EF 0F F9 0D
                            w 3FA2 03 61 82 80 01 91
(the thermal config fix isn't mandatory)
And it worked! That's the first "official" 40nm swap that wasn't done by Sony.
But of course that's not really surprising since we just copy what Sony did.

After that test I flashed the 302GB (v1.4.4k2) firmware to Syson, that's the DIA-002 standard Syscon firmware.
I did apply many patches to that firmware to debug the RSX FlexIO training and discovered something very interesting! Even though the 90nm/65nm/40nm RSX need different FlexIO training data/algorithm you can just use the 90nm/65nm data/algorithm to train a 40nm chip and it'll work. RSX will complain a lot to Syscon but Syscon can ignore that.

To further test that I removed all my custom patches from the firmware, so now it's a stock 302GB Syscon.
By applying these patches to the EEPROM:
Code:
w 3242 03 61 82 80 01 91
w 3254 21 EC
a stock 302GB Syscon will train the 40nm RSX and the console will boot without any error.
And it doesn't matter wether 0x3912 is set to 0x11 for 90nm or 0x21 for 65nm. So you can train a 40nm RSX with the 90nm or 65nm data as long as you applied these patches to the EEPROM.
Just one note: If w 3254 21 EC doesn't work, use w 3254 21 EB since there're two different 40nm chip variants.

I also did test that on the 203GB (v1.2.3k1) and 301GB (v1.3.3k1) Syscon firmwares and it works too!
(I needed to patch these firmwares in order to work on the DIA-002 but I didn't touch anything RSX related).
That means the same patches work on SEM-001 and DIA-001 (and of course DEB-001).

I can't perform the final test since I have no COK board with a 40nm RSX, but since the other chips can train a 40nm RSX with the 90nm training data, the same EEPROM patches should do the job on the 201GB/202GB Syscon. Maybe someone can test that :D.

In summary (TLDR): A 203GB/301GB/302GB Syscon supports 40nm RSX after applying two EEPROM patches. 201GB/202GB haven't been tested yet but should in theory work since it's the same code.

A little extra: If you plan on replacing the 90nm RSX with a 65nm one, try these patches:
Code:
w 3242 03 A2 03 B0 07 71
w 3254 21 E8


Edit (NOT TESTED):
1) For SW/2 Syscons use offset 0x182 instead of 0x3242 and 0x194 instead of 0x3254
2) For SW3 Syscons use offset 0x212 instead of 0x3242 and 0x224 instead of 0x3254
3) For the 28nm RSX replace the second command with w 3254 21 EE

A major breakthrough has been mad and we may soon be able to replicate SONY's method. And even make it easier!
 
That's the theory, yes!
I've acquired this cechc03 with the 65nm rsx back off my dad am going to take some pictures of the whole board again but am going to take them at full 48 megapixel and upload raw images if your interested as I want to get some super clean images of the changes that where done to this board.
 
I know this thread has been dead for a while and I've just fallen off the face off the earth but would you still need this board as I gave this ps3 to my dad to use for a while but I will probably be getting it back soon am just wondering how far have things come now would you still need the board as I would like to keep it if I can because i don't think am going to find another Ps3 like this.
Your PS3 have the syscon CXR714120-303GB, is the only syscon from the "mullion series" still marked as "not dumped yet" in red text in this list (named "COOKIE 303" in the column at left of the table)
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Syscon_Firmware
The firmware of this syscon model (dated from 2009) adds support for the 65nm RSX, but a few monts later (around 2010) sony started doing the RSX refurbishments with a 40nm RSX and a more newer syscon... so your syscon is very rare because they used it only for 1 year

Please talk with @M4j0r in a private conversation to see if you can help in providing that dump :encouragement:
 
And also @tristen8878 ... inside syscon there is an area named "thermal config". I been collecting this configs in this wiki page
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Syscon_Thermal_Configs#Refurbished
And doing some graphs for them in this forum thread
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/syscon-fan-settings-coordinate-graphs.31188/

As you can see in the wiki page, we only have 2 thermal configs from 2 official RSX refurbishements:
COK-002 with 40nm RSX
DIA-001 with 40nm RSX

The thermal config of your COK-002 with a 65nm RSX is unique, we dont have a sample of it
When sony was doing the refurbishements they was doing some modifications to the thermal configs, and they was doing it following some strict rules. After studying the thermal configs from the official refurbishements we know that rules so we can replicate your thermal config
But is a lot better if you provide a sample of it because the wiki page is only intended to collect the officials (i dont want to add one made by me trying to replicate what sony did in yours), and because there are still some values unknown in the thermal configs

As example of an important known value... inside the thermal config there are 2 bytes (in mullion syscons) or 1 byte (in sherwood syscons) that is related with the RSX revision. When we replace the RSX we should modify that byte/s too inside the thermal config because sony was doing it
As said before, we only have samples of the official refurbs with a 40nm RSX and sony was using the byte 0x8B in them (related with the 40nm RSX)
The thermal config of your official refurb with a 65nm RSX should contain the byte 0x88 (related with the 65nm RSX)... but by now this is just a theory... we need a confirmation from someone with an official 65nm RSX refurbishement like yours :crybaby:

I wrote a wall of text about this unknown bytes in this page while i was trying to figure how it works
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Talk:Syscon_Thermal_Configs
And we are still discussing it, as you can read around this post this unnkown bytes are still causing a bit of confusion
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/f...cecha-with-40nm-rsx.28069/page-79#post-324815
 

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