Problem without PS2 games

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axebarauna

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Hi, a few days ago I jailbroken my 10 years old ps3 fat. I have rebug 4.82 with cobra. I put new thermal paste on cell and rsx, cleaned all the dust. I'm using webman to run ps1 and ps2 games. With ps1 have no problem, but with ps2 my console turn off after a few minutes of play. First I've thought that it's overheating, but there is new thermal paste. I've tested many webman fan configs, even on 50% fan speed it turns off, red light blinking. I've started a game, and was looking at temp at menu under ps3 button, temp was 62°C and ps3 switch off, so I assume that wasn't overheating fault. What could cause this problem? BTW, with syscon in webman, my console after a few minutes from start get 75°C, with webman fan control I can stay at 65-68. There is a new paste, I don't know what else should I do. Maybe it's cfw or cobra? Sorry for bad English, I hope someone could help me
 
axebarauna said:
Hi, a few days ago I jailbroken my 10 years old ps3 fat. I have rebug 4.82 with cobra. I put new thermal paste on cell and rsx, cleaned all the dust. I'm using webman to run ps1 and ps2 games. With ps1 have no problem, but with ps2 my console turn off after a few minutes of play. First I've thought that it's overheating, but there is new thermal paste. I've tested many webman fan configs, even on 50% fan speed it turns off, red light blinking. I've started a game, and was looking at temp at menu under ps3 button, temp was 62°C and ps3 switch off, so I assume that wasn't overheating fault. What could cause this problem? BTW, with syscon in webman, my console after a few minutes from start get 75°C, with webman fan control I can stay at 65-68. There is a new paste, I don't know what else should I do. Maybe it's cfw or cobra? Sorry for bad English, I hope someone could help me
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When playing PS2 games on PS3 the system is under more load than normal and temps can climb. The rapid temp climb could indicate something else.

Either not enough thermal paste was used, or more likely the heatsink was not seated correctly on the CELL on RSX. Or it could be the NEC tokens which are notorious for being faulty on these Models.

Which PS2 game was causing the PS3 to shut down? as some of them can do this as well as some PS3 games can do this on the old Phat model PS3's.
 
Cypher_CG89 said:
When playing PS2 games on PS3 the system is under more load than normal and temps can climb. The rapid temp climb could indicate something else.

Either not enough thermal paste was used, or more likely the heatsink was not seated correctly on the CELL on RSX. Or it could be the NEC tokens which are notorious for being faulty on these Models.

Which PS2 game was causing the PS3 to shut down? as some of them can do this as well as some PS3 games can do this on the old Phat model PS3's.
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I think heatsink seat correctly, if it not, the screws wouldn't fit. I tested burnout 3 and devil may cry 3. But last test show me that console shut off while 62°C, fan at 50%. It's quite old fat, 80gb model
 
axebarauna said:
I think heatsink seat correctly, if it not, the screws wouldn't fit. I tested burnout 3 and devil may cry 3. But last test show me that console shut off while 62°C, fan at 50%. It's quite old fat, 80gb model
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Could be a power supply issue, possible the PSU or the NEC tokkens. Did it work fine before the jailbreak? @Naked_Snake1995 knows his old PS3s and the issues with them.
 
Ill have to agree with you, it could be just a faulty NEC, but if it indeed was, PS1 Playback would have the same effect, but thats a case scenario, if the temps dont go above 62º, and incorrect attached Heatsink or IHS, would automatically shutdown the PS3 on bootup. It could be specific games that cause some sort of memory leak, one PS2 game that comes to my mind its Big Mutha Truckers, which gives any Non-BC PS3 in a sort of YLOD state.

But to make sure its the NECs, i suggest you to make a little test, get a game that its demanding enough for the PS3, for example when i was diagnosing my CECHC04 60Gb, that would shutdown at any point given after 30/40min, but it would boot fine after that.

I used NFS Pro Street as an example which can be a bit demanding for older systems, but its enough for a test, and once past the menu with graphical models, the PS3 by surprise would shutdown, which helped to locate the problem, PS1 and PS2 displayed the same results overall.

Dont assume just because it can handle a demanding PS3 game that the NECs are fine, remember NECs can hold the voltage just fine, but overtime and with use they will eventually fail to a point that the only option its to replace the NECs themselfs, what you can do to quote, fix the issue, its to solder tantalum caps in parallel with the NEC/Tokins, this will help stabilize the current filter between the NECs and CELL or RSX.
 
axebarauna said:
I think heatsink seat correctly, if it not, the screws wouldn't fit. I tested burnout 3 and devil may cry 3. But last test show me that console shut off while 62°C, fan at 50%. It's quite old fat, 80gb model
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By the way if its an 80Gb i assume its a CECHK? The 2nd Batch of 80Gb? I have some bad news regarding that model. :(
 
It's hard to tell it was as good temperature before, i I'didnt use it by 4 years. I'm notice that ps3 was very loud while playing bf3, but never shut down. The first time I've check temp was after installing cfw, ofw don't show temp. I'm going to check some ps3 games. Psx games play normal, it get loud, but not turn off. After every shutdown it boot normally, but I need to touch the button on ps3. The model is CECHK04. And what is NEC, and where to find it, it's in power supply?
 
axebarauna said:
And what is NEC, and where to find it, it's in power supply?
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They are capacitors that hold electrical charge. 2 for the CELL and 2 For the RSX.
 
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axebarauna said:
It's hard to tell it was as good temperature before, i I'didnt use it by 4 years. I'm notice that ps3 was very loud while playing bf3, but never shut down. The first time I've check temp was after installing cfw, ofw don't show temp. I'm going to check some ps3 games. Psx games play normal, it get loud, but not turn off. After every shutdown it boot normally, but I need to touch the button on ps3. The model is CECHK04. And what is NEC, and where to find it, it's in power supply?
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My intuition was right, the 80Gb CECHK04 its notorious for the NECs malfunction, the PSU its fine dont bother, and the board as well, you need to solder tantalums in parallel with the NECs, on a note which @sandungas has a handy schematic on where to solder the NECs, and which one to use.

The CECHK Models arent the only one with NEC problems, the CECHA/B/C/E/K/L/P and 2000 Series, excluding 2100 and upwards all have NEC issues, but the K Model its notorious for early NEC malfunction, and YLOD its always related to the NECs on this particular model, the other previous model only represent YLOD due to the RSX being dead, due to excessive overheating, poor ventilation and dust, but NEC problems are also a concern for these models. ;)
 
@axebarauna there is lot of times when people mentions a temperature but other people (like me) have serious doubts if your meassures was made accuratelly

The point is what you need to find are the max temperatures... reading temperature at a random point is worthless
What you need to do is to play and look at the temepratures every few seconds to see how increases and decreases
And you need to find a very demanding game... and search the point of the game with the biggest temperatures

axebarauna said:
I think heatsink seat correctly, if it not, the screws wouldn't fit
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Is not so straightforward, it can happen that all the screws are thight but the heatsink doesnt seats well
 
Naked_Snake1995 said:
I just avoid Super Slims mate, nothing wrong with a bit of Phat :D
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Hey... I have 2 Slims and a SuperSlim o_O, am greedy lol. SuperSlims perform better, update hardware and newer.....more stamina :-p:D

axebarauna said:
Ok, thanks, I've found yours older posts about nec and read something. Can you tell me, which exactly tantalum capacitors I must buy, and where exactly solder them? I mean to which pin? Or maybe tutorial video or something?
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I would check them with a multi-meter first to check how far gone they are. Check the voltage flow through them, resistance and such. Use a service manual you can find online to check what the reading's could be before you go buying things and soldering to the motherboard.

sandungas said:
Is not so straightforward, it can happen that all the screws are thight but the heatsink doesnt seats well
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This is why I mentioned it, it can seem its seated correctly, when in fact its not and there's a gap between the heatsink and the CELL and RSX. Also the thermal adhesive used under the IHS of the CELL and RSX on these old models if not been done would not help with heat. But that's not a job for the feint hearted or its goodbye PS3.

A bit like @Naked_Snake1995 taking a kitchen knife to the IHS on his :rolleyes::-p:D just though I'd stick the "knife" in a bit more...:rolleyes:
 
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