PS2 Ps2 having trouble reading burned Cds

[Peppe90]

He cannot use default settings for CD games as they will be burned in mode1 and MECHACON will reject disc.

I guess it's been a while since your last fresh imgburn installation

To me it happens quite frequently to install it on other PCs for the first time. You just have to select the game ISO, burning speed (10x for Verbatim CD-R is usually the best), disable verification (optional) and the program will adjust burning settings automatically depending on the file you select.

 

[Peppe90]

ill get it check incase it needs oiling, i tested ff9 on it, and the fmvs work perfectly.
I just want to know if its good for my lasers health to play games on it like this, other than that i think the issue is now considered fixed.

Then you have nothing to worry about. Also don't worry about oiling it (you'd have to perfectly clean it first, then apply the correct product, like a soft vaseline gel in the correct amount. Otherwise is easy to worsen things, making the motor to struggle more), leave it as it is since it is working perfectly.

Also my 39004 OD is quite noisy. I never opened it and after 20 years it keeps reading discs as the first day, never a single error.

 

[TnA]

And rather never use lowest possible speed because it will make more errors than eg. something from between disc index min and max speed, and burner min and max speed. It is very individual and needs some in depth tests.

Exactly! This is even more true on DVD+/-R though than on RW, or CD-R though!
8-16x is best on CD-R, IMO.

If discs loads, no matter of time it takes for ODD to recognize them, it means burning procedure is ok.

Nah, that's not an indicator...

Laser is not broken. Can be wear out or just dirty (lens, mirrors or substance on rails turned into stone ;]).

Yes, it sounds like that.

ok thank you for your info, i tried cleaning the laser and that actually somewhat fixed the issue, the sound the laser makes now is much quieter and it happens less frequently,

Sounds like your laser has some problems.

id like to ask a few questions if that isnt too much to ask for.

-can playing games under these conditions damage the laser?
-do laser cleaning discs work on ps2s?
-and are there brands better than verbatim for cds?

-Yes they can.
-They/cleaning-discs are trash
-Kodak Gold

usually the lowest possible speed on Verbatim CD-R is 10x. Anyway, try burning with imgburn (default settings, just disable verification).

...and "perform OPC" ON!!!

About CDs, Verbatim are the best I tried (better than Sony, TDK and Philips at least).

KODAK Gold!

CD-ROM will fit on burnable CD's that have max capacity of 1GB

Max. CD capacity was 900MB AFAIR and with over burning and GigaRec "1.4", you can fit 1.3GB on it.

All ISOs are patched before I burn them using FDVDB ESR Patcher Gui v0.4

This thread is about CDs......... That reply makes no sense...

After an ISO is patched, I burn it at the suggested speed using ImgBurn (which is 2x or 4x I think, been awhile...)

Do NOT burn slow...!!! That is NOT recommended!!! It is a MYTH, shared by people who don't know what they are talking/writing about! Berion explained it quite well in the first quote!

Since your console is 30K series, I don't think it works with RW capable discs which means you are probably looking for discs that don't have that function or perhaps that part doesn't matter and the RW could just be ignored but I'm not sure...

ALL models can read RW, if they are flagged DVD-ROM...!

CD capacity for user data is maximally 800MiB but You cannot use so much. PS2 ODD will not read overburned discs.

Not true! You can store 800MB on a 700MB disc (VCD for example) and the PS2 DOES read it!
You can burn a 1.2x GigaRec-Disc and the PS2 as well as the DC will read it.
Combine that with the Mode 2 Level 1 method and a 900MB-CD-R and over burning as well as short LeadOut and you'll get ~1300MB...

Capacity for special recorder mode like in ancient Plextors called GigaRec can fit 1.2GiB.

Actually more... With 1.4x GigaRec + Short LeadOut + Overburning + 900MB CD-R, you'd get ~1.5GB, but a PS2 and most other devices only support GigaRec 1.2x.

He cannot use default settings for CD games as they will be burned in mode1 and MECHACON will reject disc.

Not true!

Thats to be expected, im talking about my case specifically, where the laser makes that weird sound with some discs

Yeah... ANY disc... He already answered your question... In your case, it is worse...

 

[SpaghettiTaco]

Exactly! This is even more true on DVD+/-R though than on RW, or CD-R though!
8-16x is best on CD-R, IMO.

Nah, that's not an indicator...

Yes, it sounds like that.

Sounds like your laser has some problems.

-Yes they can.
-They/cleaning-discs are trash
-Kodak Gold

...and "perform OPC" ON!!!

KODAK Gold!

Max. CD capacity was 900MB AFAIR and with over burning and GigaRec "1.4", you can fit 1.3GB on it.

This thread is about CDs......... That reply makes no sense...

Do NOT burn slow...!!! That is NOT recommended!!! It is a MYTH, shared by people who don't know what they are talking/writing about! Berion explained it quite well in the first quote!

ALL models can read RW, if they are flagged DVD-ROM...!

Not true! You can store 800MB on a 700MB disc (VCD for example) and the PS2 DOES read it!
You can burn a 1.2x GigaRec-Disc and the PS2 as well as the DC will read it.
Combine that with the Mode 2 Level 1 method and a 900MB-CD-R and over burning as well as short LeadOut and you'll get ~1300MB...

Actually more... With 1.4x GigaRec + Short LeadOut + Overburning + 900MB CD-R, you'd get ~1.5GB, but a PS2 and most other devices only support GigaRec 1.2x.

Not true!

Yeah... ANY disc... He already answered your question... In your case, it is worse...

Again, only very specific cds do that, specifically ones ive had for years sitting on a shelf, other cds that i burned before that worked fine, and ALL DVDs work perfectly, im positive it has something to do with the discs wearing out. the laser makes that sound even if i insert a blank cd from that batch i have.

 

[Berion]

Nah, that's not an indicator...

It is, otherwise game would not boot. :P If booting long (identification long), it means problems with quality and/or wearing, disc and/or laser.

Not true! You can store 800MB on a 700MB disc (VCD for example) and the PS2 DOES read it! You can burn a 1.2x GigaRec-Disc and the PS2 as well as the DC will read it.

First to hear, but oh well, I don't have nor PS2, nor Plextor with those features to test. So far I remember that Overburned and GigaRec discs doesn't work on PS2 but sure, I could be wrong here. Interesting anyway!

Combine that with the Mode 2 Level 1 method and a 900MB-CD-R and over burning as well as short LeadOut and you'll get ~1300MB...

oO

 

[SpaghettiTaco]

It is, otherwise game would not boot. :P If booting long (identification long), it means problems with quality and/or wearing, disc and/or laser.


First to hear, but oh well, I don't have nor PS2, nor Plextor with those features to test. So far I remember that Overburned and GigaRec discs doesn't work on PS2 but sure, I could be wrong here. Interesting anyway!


oO

He probably meant that it isnt "necessarily" an indicator, most of the time it definitely is, ill go buy new cds in a few days, ill update you on the issue here, still extremely positive it is the discs considering that, older discs burned at a variety of speeds work and the ps2 is known to be very picky with cd brands and quality, might explain why my ps1 still reads these discs just fine

 

[_XBrD4shDOE_808_]

Test with ImgBurn, use speed between 8x and 16x, and if not, try lower quality disks, sometimes they work better, it's weird.


My report.
I record my PS1 and PS2 games at home using a notebook recorder, MULTILASER* media and at 8.8x speed, the recorder's minimum.

I have two original games. I downloaded the ISO of one of them, recorded it on a media for some tests, and confirmed, there is no difference in reading and running the game, the reader makes the same noise, takes the same time, everything is the same.
Something curious happens when recording games, both on CD and DVD.

The burner supports different speeds, 12x, 16x, 20x, 24x and etc, and regardless of the speed I select in ImgBurn, 16x for example, it will always record at 8.8x.


*You probably don't know this brand, but it's one of the worst brands out there.
They buy pirated records and brand them.
I remember reading on a website about brands and qualities of CD media sold in Brazil and where they were produced, and in the MULTILASER row there was no data, just written that pirated media without origin were used. Unfortunately it's the only thing I can find in Brazil for the price I can pay.

Something that leaves me with doubts is the fact that, even though they are very poor quality media, contrary to everything I hear, which will force the reader a lot, which will reduce the useful life of the reader and which will not work, with me there is no these problems.
The reader of my PS1 is an original 440ADM and it has the flat trimpot resistance values of 1300 Ohms, the same as the factory one.
The reader I bought for my PS2, made in China, is also like this, with high resistance on the trimpot and it still works very well, without the need to force the reader by adding more energy to the lens.
I believe that in my case it is luck, and that each case is different.
Try your luck too, try simpler media, sometimes they work better than expensive media.
I tried to use some black media on my PS1, high quality media, and the games worked very poorly, crashing a lot, even when I adjusted the reader, the poor quality discs worked on the first try.

 

[SpaghettiTaco]

Test with ImgBurn, use speed between 8x and 16x, and if not, try lower quality disks, sometimes they work better, it's weird.


My report.
I record my PS1 and PS2 games at home using a notebook recorder, MULTILASER* media and at 8.8x speed, the recorder's minimum.

I have two original games. I downloaded the ISO of one of them, recorded it on a media for some tests, and confirmed, there is no difference in reading and running the game, the reader makes the same noise, takes the same time, everything is the same.
Something curious happens when recording games, both on CD and DVD.

The burner supports different speeds, 12x, 16x, 20x, 24x and etc, and regardless of the speed I select in ImgBurn, 16x for example, it will always record at 8.8x.


*You probably don't know this brand, but it's one of the worst brands out there.
They buy pirated records and brand them.
I remember reading on a website about brands and qualities of CD media sold in Brazil and where they were produced, and in the MULTILASER row there was no data, just written that pirated media without origin were used. Unfortunately it's the only thing I can find in Brazil for the price I can pay.

Something that leaves me with doubts is the fact that, even though they are very poor quality media, contrary to everything I hear, which will force the reader a lot, which will reduce the useful life of the reader and which will not work, with me there is no these problems.
The reader of my PS1 is an original 440ADM and it has the flat trimpot resistance values of 1300 Ohms, the same as the factory one.
The reader I bought for my PS2, made in China, is also like this, with high resistance on the trimpot and it still works very well, without the need to force the reader by adding more energy to the lens.
I believe that in my case it is luck, and that each case is different.
Try your luck too, try simpler media, sometimes they work better than expensive media.
I tried to use some black media on my PS1, high quality media, and the games worked very poorly, crashing a lot, even when I adjusted the reader, the poor quality discs worked on the first try.

i want to thank everyone but i feel like you keep ignoring a very major thing i keep saying about my issue, blank cds still make that sound, im fairly sure it is something with the discs, since ive had them on a shelf for a few years now, or maybe something with my laser which i think is unlikely considering older cd backups and all of my dvd backups work fine.

 

[TnA]

Again, only very specific cds do that,

Again... ALL discs decrease a laser's life!

specifically ones ive had for years sitting on a shelf, other cds that i burned before that worked fine,

That's an indication, but no proof that the discs are at fault. It could still be the writing-process...

the laser makes that sound even if i insert a blank cd from that batch i have.

Yes... And? Because IT CAN'T READ anything on it.......

It is, otherwise game would not boot. :P

That is absolute BS.
Cough: Game boots, FMV stutter... = Bad burn

If booting long (identification long), it means problems with quality and/or wearing, disc and/or laser.

WRONG! The same happens on bad burns.......

and the ps2 is known to be very picky with cd brands and quality

Sooo true...

 

[L2000]

Why not give CloneCD a try , I've made no coasters yet even with libcrypt games and no stuttering FMV by building a profile , I only use imgburn for PS2 dvd cd discs and it's essential for burning xbox 360 discs . There is a try before for you buy version of CloneCD that should be more than enough time for you to see if there's any difference

 

[SpaghettiTaco]

Again... ALL discs decrease a laser's life!

That's an indication, but no proof that the discs are at fault. It could still be the writing-process...

Yes... And? Because IT CAN'T READ anything on it.......


That is absolute BS.
Cough: Game boots, FMV stutter... = Bad burn

WRONG! The same happens on bad burns.......


Sooo true...

im unironically tired of saying it, ik that all discs decrease the lasers life, but a specific cd making a sound is an indicator something is wrong with that cd and the laser is having trouble reading it, which as an end result decreases the life of the laser more than an average disc, now for my issue, only cds that ive had 3 years on a shelf do that, discs i burned from the same batch of discs a few months back work perfectly fine, and the only issue they had is that sound, games play perfectly, no stuttering, even on games known for high quality fmvs like ff9.

 

[LuckyPey]

Maybe a problem with the magnet in spindle? Or CD-R's became thinner? I mean that discs are slipping on the spindle due to poor retention in the drive.
Btw, offtop, have you tried to play RE on burned cd? Is there any other problem with drive or laser?

 

[_XBrD4shDOE_808_]

i want to thank everyone but i feel like you keep ignoring a very major thing i keep saying about my issue, blank cds still make that sound, im fairly sure it is something with the discs, since ive had them on a shelf for a few years now, or maybe something with my laser which i think is unlikely considering older cd backups and all of my dvd backups work fine.

let me see if I understood.
The reader is making the reported noises when inserting the disks, but these disks that you inserted, are they blank disks, clean with nothing recorded, or are they burned disks, that you recorded the ISO of a game?

If the sound occurs only when you insert blank discs in the player, not when using recorded discs, the reason is simple:
It's because they are blank discs. The system is trying to locate the data on the disk, as it can't, it tries again, and again and again, and each time it forces the reader more, leading to these noises. Stop inserting blank disks and the device will return to normal.

Now, if the sound still occurs with recorded games, try to record the games on discs of other quality, lower and if possible originals.
If it doesn't work, you have two alternatives.
The first is to change the reader for a new one, but keep in mind that new readers for this device in 2022, only parallel lenses produced in china, but they are good too.
I bought one for the equivalent of less than 10 dollars a few months ago and it works very well, even being parallel.

The second alternative, which I recommend trying because it often works, is to regulate the reader by its trimpot.
First of all, know that the devs and hackers do not recommend adjusting this trimpot because it is done using high-precision lasers, and changing this trimpot increases the voltage and decreases the useful life of the reader, but in your case it would already be out, if it lasts another half year or a year, it's profit.

Personally, I always recommend trying to adjust the voltage regulation before changing the reader, I've saved many readers that way, both PS1 and PS2, So much so that a few days ago I recovered my teacher's PS2 slim just by adjusting this trimpot. The device only read a few parallel discs and with difficulty, I verified that it was original and it was very tired, I adjusted it by reducing the resistance from 770 to 700ohms, the addition of voltage being very small to affect the useful life of the laser, and it was enough to revive the device, it's like new.

 

[SKEPTiCK]

Exactly! This is even more true on DVD+/-R though than on RW, or CD-R though!
8-16x is best on CD-R, IMO.

Max. CD capacity was 900MB AFAIR and with over burning and GigaRec "1.4", you can fit 1.3GB on it.

This thread is about CDs......... That reply makes no sense...

Then I guess I could refer you to your first reply in that massive list of replies to everyone.

Also, I was only keeping in mind that not every disc which gets burned is likely to be CD unless the OP is extremely discreet at only performing speedruns of games that are on CD and never does them on DVD burns

Then again, maybe playing ESR patched ISO from DVD on real PS2 hardware does not fall into the category of acceptable content to be used for speedruns???

I don't know, wouldn't make alot of sense if you can burn a CD and have it be legally acceptable for speedrun but not a DVD burn all because it was ESR boot-patched.

Do NOT burn slow...!!! That is NOT recommended!!! It is a MYTH, shared by people who don't know what they are talking/writing about! Berion explained it quite well in the first quote!

Well, if we look back at what this line was written in reply to, I did state that I burn my discs at a "suggested" speed which I also stated not being able to remember since I haven't had to burn anything for months.

But when I put disc in tray, ImgBurn says that supported write speeds are 4x or 8x and I've definitely used both

Not sure, though I do recall having issues with certain titles hanging at FMV when burning at 8x rather than 4x

ALL models can read RW, if they are flagged DVD-ROM...!

Didn't know that? so then any PS2, even series below 50K can be tricked to read RW? Even first series?

 

[TnA]

im unironically tired of saying it,

You didn't specify that you were referring to your issue with that sentence, instead of what you quoted and replied to (my comment)...

only cds that ive had 3 years on a shelf do that,

Sounds like disc-degradation...

Didn't know that? so then any PS2, even series below 50K can be tricked to read RW? Even first series?

IDK about the first series, but a 39k can certainly read -RW. +RW might not work or needs tricks.

 

[SpaghettiTaco]

let me see if I understood.
The reader is making the reported noises when inserting the disks, but these disks that you inserted, are they blank disks, clean with nothing recorded, or are they burned disks, that you recorded the ISO of a game?

If the sound occurs only when you insert blank discs in the player, not when using recorded discs, the reason is simple:
It's because they are blank discs. The system is trying to locate the data on the disk, as it can't, it tries again, and again and again, and each time it forces the reader more, leading to these noises. Stop inserting blank disks and the device will return to normal.

Now, if the sound still occurs with recorded games, try to record the games on discs of other quality, lower and if possible originals.
If it doesn't work, you have two alternatives.
The first is to change the reader for a new one, but keep in mind that new readers for this device in 2022, only parallel lenses produced in china, but they are good too.
I bought one for the equivalent of less than 10 dollars a few months ago and it works very well, even being parallel.

The second alternative, which I recommend trying because it often works, is to regulate the reader by its trimpot.
First of all, know that the devs and hackers do not recommend adjusting this trimpot because it is done using high-precision lasers, and changing this trimpot increases the voltage and decreases the useful life of the reader, but in your case it would already be out, if it lasts another half year or a year, it's profit.

Personally, I always recommend trying to adjust the voltage regulation before changing the reader, I've saved many readers that way, both PS1 and PS2, So much so that a few days ago I recovered my teacher's PS2 slim just by adjusting this trimpot. The device only read a few parallel discs and with difficulty, I verified that it was original and it was very tired, I adjusted it by reducing the resistance from 770 to 700ohms, the addition of voltage being very small to affect the useful life of the laser, and it was enough to revive the device, it's like new.

It happens to disks ive burned RECENTLY, ive had these discs for 3 years now, ones i burned a few months back dont do that.

Then I guess I could refer you to your first reply in that massive list of replies to everyone.

Also, I was only keeping in mind that not every disc which gets burned is likely to be CD unless the OP is extremely discreet at only performing speedruns of games that are on CD and never does them on DVD burns

Then again, maybe playing ESR patched ISO from DVD on real PS2 hardware does not fall into the category of acceptable content to be used for speedruns???

I don't know, wouldn't make alot of sense if you can burn a CD and have it be legally acceptable for speedrun but not a DVD burn all because it was ESR boot-patched.



Well, if we look back at what this line was written in reply to, I did state that I burn my discs at a "suggested" speed which I also stated not being able to remember since I haven't had to burn anything for months.

But when I put disc in tray, ImgBurn says that supported write speeds are 4x or 8x and I've definitely used both

Not sure, though I do recall having issues with certain titles hanging at FMV when burning at 8x rather than 4x



Didn't know that? so then any PS2, even series below 50K can be tricked to read RW? Even first series?

im honestly suprised by burns being allowed, dvd esrs tho will probably not be allowed due to loading being faster than normal, thats what im guessing atleast.

Maybe a problem with the magnet in spindle? Or CD-R's became thinner? I mean that discs are slipping on the spindle due to poor retention in the drive.
Btw, offtop, have you tried to play RE on burned cd? Is there any other problem with drive or laser?

thats a thing that happens?, if re is a game with high quality fmvs, ive played ff9 and the fmvs never stutter with that sound, the drive itself also works perfectly fine besides that. if it even is an issue of the drive

 

[SpaghettiTaco]

It happens to disks ive burned RECENTLY, ive had these discs for 3 years now, ones i burned a few months back dont do that.



im honestly suprised by burns being allowed, dvd esrs tho will probably not be allowed due to loading being faster than normal, thats what im guessing atleast.



thats a thing that happens?, if re is a game with high quality fmvs, ive played ff9 and the fmvs never stutter with that sound, the drive itself also works perfectly fine besides that. if it even is an issue of the drive

Coming back to this topic after 2 months, i got new cds and they still had that issue, the drive itself was faulty after all, got it replaced yesterday, consider the issue fixed, thank you everyone for your help.

 

[THESPROTIS]

hi
I burn a ps2 game(clock tower 3) and works perfect
I burn another game (manhunt) and crush all the time
why?
I use 4x speed

 

[TnA]

Turn 'perform OPC' in IMGBurn ON!
Why do you write at 4x
Which type of media and writer are you using?

 

[THESPROTIS]

Maxwell
4x because is safe and more easy to read

Turn 'perform OPC' in IMGBurn ON!
Why do you write at 4x
Which type of media and writer are you using?

I tried the disc in the emulator and it worked without a problem


I plugged it into ps2 and took it off and on again and again until it got past the freeze but why so difficult to read the disc