PS3 (Question) Is SSD vs HDD worth it or not?

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I was thinking of getting an SSD to replace the original 60GB HDD on the PS3. However looking at some videos and reviews, however, i noticed that there is not a big difference in terms of performance, i would say almost nothing even in terms of loading. So i wonder if there are other reasons why you prefer installing an SSD to an HDD on the PS3.
For example, would the system, i.e. the interface, be more fluid as happens in PCs? Can SSDs fail sooner on a PS3 than on a PC? Stuff like that, in short.
 
Nator said:
I was thinking of getting an SSD to replace the original 60GB HDD on the PS3. However looking at some videos and reviews, however, i noticed that there is not a big difference in terms of performance, i would say almost nothing even in terms of loading. So i wonder if there are other reasons why you prefer installing an SSD to an HDD on the PS3.
For example, would the system, i.e. the interface, be more fluid as happens in PCs? Can SSDs fail sooner on a PS3 than on a PC? Stuff like that, in short.
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The only reason would be added reliability as SSD does not have anything moving.
In terms of speed, the sata1 in PS3 is far from taking any advantage of an SSD.
Also, keep in mind it would treat SSD as HDD, so no trim and SSD specific treatment.
 
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MojArch said:
The only reason would be added reliability as SSD does not have anything moving.
In terms of speed, the sata 2 in PS3 is far from to take any advantage of an SSD.
Also, keep in mind it would treat SSD as HDD, so no trim and SSD specific treatment.
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PS3 is not SATA 2 capable, only SATA 1 (up to 150 MB/s).
 
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I think the speeds of an ssd is negligible in most cases from the lack of support but wouldn't it run cooler and quieter than a hdd. These must be pros to consider right?


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ZambieTheBully said:
I think the speeds of an ssd is negligible in most cases from the lack of support but wouldn't it run cooler and quieter than a hdd. These must be pros to consider right?


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It could be, but the risk of losing all your data because of SSD corruption is not worth it in my opinion. Also, some SSDs tend to get hot too.
 
ZambieTheBully said:
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I've seen some people arguing that SSD drives produce "much less heat" but consider this: a very good and efficient SSD uses 5V 0.35A 1.75 Watt while an HDD uses 5V 0.85A 4.25 Watt.
With a difference of 2.5W less, it is not something you would see on the thermometer.
 
GuilloteTesla said:
It could be, but the risk of losing all your data because of SSD corruption is not worth it in my opinion. Also, some SSDs tend to get hot too.
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Well i do use a Samsung evo 860 on my PS3 and it has write endurance somewhere around 150TB which if you write montly on it half TB that would be 70-80 month which that translate to 5-6 years which at that point it is recommended to change storage no matter of what type it is.
So endurance isn't an issue.
Also, if you are mentioning bit rot, that could happen to both storage type, and if you refresh files once a while, it won't happen.
 
MojArch said:
I've seen some people arguing that SSD drives produce "much less heat" but consider this: a very good and efficient SSD uses 5V 0.35A 1.75 Watt while an HDD uses 5V 0.85A 4.25 Watt.
With a difference of 2.5W less, it is not something you would see on the thermometer.
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Swapping hdd for ssd isn't going to instantly cool your unit but even if it's 1% change, collectively with other cooling optimizations would it would.

GuilloteTesla said:
It could be, but the risk of losing all your data because of SSD corruption is not worth it in my opinion. Also, some SSDs tend to get hot too.
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Haven't heard much about losing data with SSDs but I'm new to the community so that's probably why. Is it the unit/system that corrupts the drive or cheap drives the cause? I've had a Kingston ssd (by no means top of the line) and haven't had any issues so far.
 
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ZambieTheBully said:
Swapping hdd for ssd isn't going to instantly cool your unit but even if it's 1% change, collectively with other cooling optimizations would it would.
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I don't think so. My slim with 35% fan is at 60-65 digress always, relative to ambient temp.

Coro said:
some work, some do not work. some will work for a while and then force formatting (losing all data). i do not recommend SSD for that reason. it may be months after installing it before you know that it was a bad idea.
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Hummmm, mine works ok.
It's been around 5 years. [emoji1745]
 
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atreyu187 said:
The PS3 isn't setup to properly handle trim for SSD. It can work great but can also suss up as well. Run a SSHD it is as fast as the PS3 can handle and issue free.
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Ok, thanks everyone for the replies but you gave me conflicting opinions. Some say it lasts 5 years, some say it heats up as much as an HDD, but the certainties are:
The PS3 was not made for an SSD, it doesn't use it properly because is SATA 1, the difference is only in the loading of the games and not in the fluidity of the XMB. So i think it would be better for me to get an sshd, but then again, if the difference is only in the loading of the games and not in the system, i don't need it. At this point i would mostly need to extend the disk size up to the maximum supported by the PS3 in anticipation of installing the CWF.
 
MojArch said:
Well i do use a Samsung evo 860 on my PS3 and it has write endurance somewhere around 150TB which if you write montly on it half TB that would be 70-80 month which that translate to 5-6 years which at that point it is recommended to change storage no matter of what type it is.
So endurance isn't an issue.
Also, if you are mentioning bit rot, that could happen to both storage type, and if you refresh files once a while, it won't happen.
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I'm not talking about endurance, but data corruption. The PS3 doesn't have TRIM implemented, so all the data is handled in a non-optimized way. With time, the disk became corrupt because of this, and the PS3 (with all the encryption and stuff) is very sensitive to any "bad sector" that may appear from a bad data handling of the PS3 itself.

There are plenty of cases here on the forums about the consecuences of using a SSD for a long time.

ZambieTheBully said:
Haven't heard much about losing data with SSDs but I'm new to the community so that's probably why. Is it the unit/system that corrupts the drive or cheap drives the cause? I've had a Kingston ssd (by no means top of the line) and haven't had any issues so far.
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It's the console itself. Think of it as the PS3 doing a lot of fragmentation on the SSD, and then the disk becomes so slow and fragmentated that the performance degrades. With time, the data is going to be stored where it fits, increasing the risk of data corruption. As the PS3 encrypts the drive, a minor change in a sector will render the data unsuable.

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Ok, thanks everyone for the replies but you gave me conflicting opinions. Some say it lasts 5 years, some say it heats up as much as an HDD, but the certainties are:
The PS3 was not made for an SSD, it doesn't use it properly because is SATA 1, the difference is only in the loading of the games and not in the fluidity of the XMB. So i think it would be better for me to get an sshd, but then again, if the difference is only in the loading of the games and not in the system, i don't need it. At this point i would mostly need to extend the disk size up to the maximum supported by the PS3 in anticipation of installing the CWF.
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You misunderstood. There are no conflicting opinions, all what was said here are real cases (that's how "robust and safe" is to use an SSD on a PS3... a complete lottery).

The PS3 is not made for SSDs, it has nothing to do with the SATA interface (TRIM is a command to handle store data, not data transfer).

Using an SSD will improve a little the loading speeds of the games, but that's all. It will not improve the boot speed or the XMB.
 
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GuilloteTesla said:
You misunderstood. There are no conflicting opinions, all what was said here are real cases (that's how "robust and safe" is to use and SSD on a PS3... a complete lottery).

The PS3 is not made for SSDs, it has nothing to do with the SATA interface (TRIM is a command to handle store data, not data transfer).

Using an SSD will improve a little the loading speeds of the games, but that's all. It will not improve the boot speed or the XMB.
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So if i had to replace the 60GB HDD in the PS3 with another one of the maximum size allowed, do i just have to disconnect the old one and insert the new one or is there some procedure like installing some programs in the new HDD etc?
 
Nator said:
So if i had to replace the 60GB HDD in the PS3 with another one of the maximum size allowed, do i just have to disconnect the old one and insert the new one or is there some procedure like installing some programs in the new HDD etc?
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Nothing else. As you well said, just remove the old HDD and put a new one in it. The PS3 will ask you to insert the PUP update file of your current FW in order to reinstall everything in your new HDD.
 
atreyu187 said:
So I have one with a 5400rpm 1.75tb drive which is the biggest the PS3 can use without issues. It's a 5400rpm drive and I have a 640gb SSHD and it's a bit quicker but not really much like fractions of a second.
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For example, if i buy a 1TB laptop HDD, is any model/brand fine or are there known incompatibility problems?
 
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