PS3 Rebug w/Atelier Games

Joonie said:
The OP stated games work on OFW but don't on REBUG as if original games don't work, anyways he tested games without COBRA and failed as well which implies the issue is elsewhere. He could've used PSN Patch or SEN who knows?


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Could still be payload issue of managers
 
RandQalan said:
I just tested ISO not JB I like to put my games on external HDD NTFS so decided to just make ISO but make ISO fails and genps3 iso works to turn JB to ISO
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Is the first time i see someone reporting a problem with an ISO created by makeps3iso since.... years ago
Im wondering if is caused by a bug in makeps3iso or some incompatibility from other code (firmware patches, cobra, whatever)

Could be interesting if you try to boot a copy of the game made with makeps3iso in a backup manager like managunz, but having cobra disabled (in rebug toolbox), this way managunz will load the iso with mamba
Not sure if this test is going to is going to be give any hint of what is happening though... is just an idea

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The games file/folder structure has something special that worths to be mentioned ?... dunno, a directory with bigfiles ?
 
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@sandungas No big files just normal size. I decided to test Atelier Ayesha The Alchemist of Dusk BLUS31152 and it failed install with ISO from MM so JB it and then copy to PC and converted with make first failed also then used gen it allowed install. After that worked fine
 
cots said:
genps3iso fixed the problem! Thank you all so much!
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I tried a JB rip of Meruru EU version via nethost and I failed to understand why it didn't work on your end until you used genps3iso.

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Got any ideas? @habib @aldostools @RandQalan @sandungas @pinky @Zar

I've known a guy who's been localizing the entire Atelier series since 3.55 and he never had such issues unless the rip had bad files or missing files..

@cots I can only imagine either your rips is bad or you use PSNPatch or SEN to disable syscalls to play games. Because I used none of them and it works fine

I even tried it without COBRA and that also works fine.

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Joonie said:
I tried a JB rip of Meruru EU version via nethost and I failed to understand why it didn't work on your end until you used genps3iso.

I've known a guy who's been localizing the entire Atelier series since 3.55 and he never had such issues unless the rip had bad files or missing files..

@cots I can only imagine either your rips is bad or you use PSNPatch or SEN to disable syscalls to play games. Because I used none of them and it works fine

I even tried it without COBRA and that also works fine.

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I didn't try nethost as I had been copying the files to an external drive. I did use SEN Enabler a long time ago when I was on 4.81, but like I said I'm on Rebug REX 4.82.1 now. I'm not really experienced with these things. I tried ISO, tried JB and then tried converting to ISO from JB using ps3geniso (which worked). Sorry that I can't be of much more help.
 
cots said:
I didn't try nethost as I had been copying the files to an external drive. I did use SEN Enabler a long time ago when I was on 4.81, but like I said I'm on Rebug REX 4.82.1 now. I'm not really experienced with these things. I tried ISO, tried JB and then tried converting to ISO from JB using ps3geniso (which worked). Sorry that I can't be of much more help.
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nethost isn't the issue here, I tested the JB rip on internal hdd and that worked without COBRA just fine (multiMAN 4.82 used), and you didn't answer my question about PSNPatch and SENEnabler.

You said you used it long time ago, but what now? not using anything at all?
 
I cant imagine where is the problem, but from this list...
cots said:
GameIDUpdate Avaiable?Installed Partial Data to HDDWorking?
Ar Tonelico Qogaknell Of Ar Ciel [BLES01102]NOYESNO
Atelier Ayesha - The Alchemist Of Dusk [BLES01793]NONONO
Atelier Escha & Logy Alchemists Of The Dusk Sky [BLES01992]NONONO
Atelier Meruru - The Apprentice Of Arland [BLES01593]NOYESNO
Atelier Rorona Plus The Alchemist Of Arland [BLES02050]NON/AYES
Atelier Shallie - Alchemists Of The Dusk Sea [BLES02143]YESYESNO
Atelier Totori - The Adventurer Of Arland [BLUS30735]NON/AYES
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It looks the only games that was working was the ones that doesnt makes an hdd gamedata installation
So the problem is directly related with that gamedata installation... and not directly related with the game format (JB or ISO) because joonie has been able to load them in JB format (that in theory has a lower compatibility than ISO format)
 
Joonie said:
nethost isn't the issue here, I tested the JB rip on internal hdd and that worked without COBRA just fine (multiMAN 4.82 used), and you didn't answer my question about PSNPatch and SENEnabler.

You said you used it long time ago, but what now? not using anything at all?
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No. I used SEN Enabler once, got banned and then got rid of it. I haven't used it since.
 
sandungas said:
I cant imagine where is the problem, but from this list...

It looks the only games that was working was the ones that doesnt makes an hdd gamedata installation
So the problem is directly related with that gamedata installation... and not directly related with the game format (JB or ISO) because joonie has been able to load them in JB format (that in theory has a lower compatibility than ISO format)
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All of them install the game data onto the HDD. The field for "partial data" was if there was data after it failed to install. Some games said they copied like 5% of data, but then failed. When I checked the HDD for this data there was nothing. The ones that failed and installed data I marked as "yes".
 
cots said:
All of them install the game data onto the HDD. The field for "partial data" was if there was data after it failed to install. Some games said they copied like 5% of data, but then failed. When I checked the HDD for this data there was nothing. The ones that failed and installed data I marked as "yes".
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I meant the games you marked in "Installed Partial Data to HDD" column with a N/A

There are many PS3 games that doesnt makes any gamedata installation, i thought the ones marked as N/A was of this type, and this is why was working, because doesnt makes a gamedata installation


Actually, im thinking if you perform that gamedata installation in the other games by other means (booting the game with the iso made with geniso)... and then you quit the game and try to boot it in JB format (or with another iso made with makeps3iso) are going to work.... because the gamedata is already installed :)
 
sandungas said:
I meant the games you marked in "Installed Partial Data to HDD" column with a N/A

There are many PS3 games that doesnt makes any gamedata installation, i thought the ones marked as N/A was of this type, and this is why was working, because doesnt makes a gamedata installation


Actually, im thinking if you perform that gamedata installation in the other games by other means (booting the game with the iso made with geniso)... and then you quit the game and try to boot it in JB format (or with another iso made with makeps3iso) are going to work.... because the gamedata is already installed :)
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FYI, All my testing was done with fresh data installation.. the last test I did was via app_home (even without a boot disc) mounted by multiMAN 4.82 (no COBRA), so yeah if his issue is bad data installation, then probably a bad rip issue..
 
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Joonie said:
FYI, All my testing was done with fresh data installation.. the last test I did was via app_home (even without a boot disc) mounted by multiMAN 4.82 (no COBRA), so yeah if his issue is bad data installation, then probably a bad rip issue..
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Nice, with app_home there is even lower compatibility and is still working solid for you, included the gamedata installation

When i have this kind of weird problems i go paranoid and delete also the gamesaves of that game, and the trophy installation (manualy, then restore filesystem)
This way in the next boot of the game it does a fresh install of the trophies, gamedata, and creates a new savegame
I think there is no need to make all this for tests with this games (only the gamedata deletion seems to be needed)

But he said none of the games was creating any gamedata folder... some stopped at 5% progress but no files on hdd... thats weird
Dunno... i was thinking maybe there is something in his setup that is interfering with that installations (some kind of path problems that could result in no files installed at all)
The thing that confuses me most is... why geniso solved the problem o0
 
Hello, hopefully some of the OPs are still around.

Anyway i'm having same black screen problems running following games after the installation on the internal HDD:
Ar Tonelico Qoga Knell of Ar Ciel [BLES01102]
Atelier Ayesha The Alchemist of Dusk [BLES01793]
Atelier Meruru The Apprentice of Arland [BLES01593]
Atelier Totori The Adventurer of Arland [BLUS30735]
I own a fat ps3 with cfw Rebug 4.86.1 Lite Edition

I managed to get Atelier Escha, Atelier Rorona and Atelier Shallie working using genps3 iso v2.0 to convert instead of ps3 iso tools v2.2. At first i selected the genps3iso option instead of the default makeps3iso within iso tools but i always got status: warning at the end of the process and none of the games launched on the console. So I tried gen which 'fixed' errors during installation and immediately launched mentioned titles into actual game.
But genps3iso only fixed the installation error for the above 4 titles and i still get the black screen after.
I tried using v2.3 of gen instead of 2.0 but encouentered same problems, also tried to convert to iso without the game's PS3_UPDATE folder, i thought that maybe somehow original update folder in the game's JB format causes problems. Converted iso froze on xmb screen when launched using webman - latest version.

I have a couple of other games on the external hdd -ntfs- and they work fine, so it's not the hdd's fault i guess.

If anyone still remembers how to get the games running, I'd really appreciate it :)
 
rebug have some bugs xD on the last of us in downtown area the game glitch when Tess throw the bottle for distract clicker LOL
 
Fanhais said:
rebug have some bugs xD on the last of us in downtown area the game glitch when Tess throw the bottle for distract clicker LOL
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Are we talking about (a) bug(s) that appear(s) solely & consistantly on Rebug but never on OFW & other CFWs?

If so, have you tested it/them with Cobra disabled?
If not, you cannot objectively blame Rebug.
 
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