Temperatures for Slim [CECH-2504B]?

[wrx884]

Getting a super slim wont mean u will be less prone to these failing on u, these have their own issues as well so u could find urself in the same boat at some point. Id be getting another slim at least that way u have parts u can use as for the super slim if something fails ur going to need another to repair it so could be more costs either way.

As long as u can learn from ur techniques of how u dissembled the slim and re-assembled it safely u shouldn't have any issues. Just remember these mother boards like i said earlier are much thinner so any slight bends or twists in the board can disrupt components so much care is needed. @sandungas has the perfect way of explaining how to do it by "closing it like a book", they can be a little awkward to put back together to ensure both IHS's dont move at the same time upon re-assembly but once u got that down pat u should be pretty sweet.

next option would be for u to just buy a ps2 if those are the games u wish to play in the future.

 

[Filipe Santos]

Getting a super slim wont mean u will be less prone to these failing on u, these have their own issues as well so u could find urself in the same boat at some point. Id be getting another slim at least that way u have parts u can use as for the super slim if something fails ur going to need another to repair it so could be more costs either way.

As long as u can learn from ur techniques of how u dissembled the slim and re-assembled it safely u shouldn't have any issues. Just remember these mother boards like i said earlier are much thinner so any slight bends or twists in the board can disrupt components so much care is needed. @sandungas has the perfect way of explaining how to do it by "closing it like a book", they can be a little awkward to put back together to ensure both IHS's dont move at the same time upon re-assembly but once u got that down pat u should be pretty sweet.

next option would be for u to just buy a ps2 if those are the games u wish to play in the future.

Hi mate.
True i have spares for the slim apart from two dead mobos but I'll still be getting the superslim.
I always took a lot of care opening them but the most annoying part is the metal board on the bottom that has some teeth that fit under the back ports.
As for reassembly you put those first and then close it like a book so as i have no knowledge about electronic components i cant exactly tell why my two slims died.
I dont think the superslims have that annoying thing on the bottom metal plate and i wont be fiddling with it apart from cleaning it and replacing thermal paste if needed.
Plus nakedsnake advised me to get one of these models because of reliability or an earlier slim model since he also had slims that did same on him. Same models 25xx. And twice on me.
Plus the superslim wont need ihs removals so I'll be much safer by not forcing anything and bending the mobo.
Plus nakedsnake pointed the way to how to play ps2 games on the superslim using the ps2 to pkg converter so it's all set.
Im done with slims because they definitely need ihs removal unlike the superslim so i have a good feeling about this and i trust nakedsnake.
Im also not concerned about the spares as i might find some use for someday or sell them for someone that needs parts for slims.

 

[Filipe Santos]

Take a look at this, are 2 important things related with what we was talking about

In this thread i was talking about the problem of the metal shields assembly, basically you need to keep attention at the border where i painted the black arrows
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/overheat-problems-cell-delidding.25810/page-7#post-202795

And watch this video (and read my comment below it), the way how he checks the flatness of IHS (and heatsink) surfaces, using a razor blade and a lamp is very precise, it allows you to see very well if the surfaces are curved or have some imperfections
I can tell you this trick is used even by professionals... there are some meassuring instruments used in laboratories to check flatness of course... but this is superhandy, very fast to do, and very accurate
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/ps3-fat-overheating.23789/page-2#post-200569

While doing this check... if you see your heatsink surface or the IHS's are very curved or have many problems... well... you know where is the problem... and this is the point where you should consider if:
-buying a new heatsink
-try to do a lapping of your heatsink
-remove IHS's and make a lapping of them

You know.. the goal is to make the surfaces the most flat posible
But is always needed to think in all this using margins... lets say if you see that it have a very small imperfection maybe is better to forget about it and dont do anything... lets say... having an small problem could be aceptable

Oh yeah regarding that nsc guy i cant stand him. He just keeps on throwing crap jokes and ego boosting himself on his videos.
Really not in the mood today.
Cant stand him anymore plus hes spreading info that superslims will die after 6 years and on top of that hes removing cell ihs on superslims.

And guys really appreciate all the kind assistance you guys offered regarding my slims. I know you guys are probably right in telling me to buy another one since i have spare parts but then again they need ihs removal so hence why im jumping on the superslim.
And i never had one before which makes it better for me since i never experienced one before.

 

[sandungas]

Hi mate.
True i have spares for the slim apart from two dead mobos but I'll still be getting the superslim.
I always took a lot of care opening them but the most annoying part is the metal board on the bottom that has some teeth that fit under the back ports.
As for reassembly you put those first and then close it like a book so as i have no knowledge about electronic components i cant exactly tell why my two slims died.
I dont think the superslims have that annoying thing on the bottom metal plate and i wont be fiddling with it apart from cleaning it and replacing thermal paste if needed.
Plus nakedsnake advised me to get one of these models because of reliability or an earlier slim model since he also had slims that did same on him. Same models 25xx. And twice on me.
Plus the superslim wont need ihs removals so I'll be much safer by not forcing anything and bending the mobo.
Plus nakedsnake pointed the way to how to play ps2 games on the superslim using the ps2 to pkg converter so it's all set.
Im done with slims because they definitely need ihs removal unlike the superslim so i have a good feeling about this and i trust nakedsnake.
Im also not concerned about the spares as i might find some use for someday or sell them for someone that needs parts for slims.

You are taking that decission based on some factors, but i think you should reconsider some of them

The PS3 slims doesnt needs an IHS removal, there are many people that never did it and the temperatures are not specially bad, is just all PS3 models (included superslims) are hotter than a PC and cant be compared with a PC because in the PS3 the air have a lot of problems to flow

And i dont know about your first PS3 slim failure, but in your second slim you did not seem to do any mistake (only you could know though, incase you did something risky)... all we know is it stopped working but we dont know if is a huge problem or something small
The mention to the cracked solder balls under RSX and CELL... well... we just mentioned it because is something you should consider always
But take a read at this thread, is an example that happened recently in the forum
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/overheat-problems-cell-delidding.25810/
He made lot of thermal paste replacements, he dissassembled and assembled the PS3 several times, he even made a deliding of CELL with a metal blade... and at some point it stopped working
So we was considering the same we have mentioned to you... cracked solder balls under CELL/RSX (caused by an excesive flexing of the board, or excesive force applyed in the CELL when he was deliding it)
And he was at that point you are now, desperated and tired of trying things and he was about to give up, but some days later he started making more tests, cleaned the board with alcohol, checked components with a magnifyer glass and other things (i mentioned the metal shields assembly too, the same i mentioned to you)... and eventually he realized he had the metal contacts of the front panel buttons in short circuit... he fixed it (probably in a couple of minutes of work), and the PS3 is working again

 

[Filipe Santos]

You are taking that decission based on some factors, but i think you should reconsider some of them

The PS3 slims doesnt needs an IHS removal, there are many people that never did it and the temperatures are not specially bad, is just all PS3 models (included superslims) are hotter than a PC and cant be compared with a PC because in the PS3 the air have a lot of problems to flow

And i dont know about your first PS3 slim failure, but in your second slim you did not seem to do any mistake (only you could know though, incase you did something risky)... all we know is it stopped working but we dont know if is a huge problem or something small
The mention to the cracked solder balls under RSX and CELL... well... we just mentioned it because is something you should consider always
But take a read at this thread, is an example that happened recently in the forum
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/overheat-problems-cell-delidding.25810/
He made lot of thermal paste replacements, he dissassembled and assembled the PS3 several times, he even made a deliding of CELL with a metal blade... and at some point it stopped working
So we was considering the same we have mentioned to you... cracked solder balls under CELL/RSX (caused by an excesive flexing of the board, or excesive force applyed in the CELL when he was deliding it)
And he was at that point you are now, desperated and tired of trying things and he was about to give up, but some days later he started making more tests, cleaned the board with alcohol, checked components with a magnifyer glass and other things (i mentioned the metal shields assembly too, the same i mentioned to you)... and eventually he realized he had the metal contacts of the front panel buttons in short circuit... he fixed it (probably in a couple of minutes of work), and the PS3 is working again

I think mine's busted because I used a butter serving knife to remove the ihs on the rsx and probably put some pressure on top of the cell and that's why it's doing what it's doing.
I'll have a look at the mobo as i never bothered to reassemble it clean it with alcohol and see how it goes.

 

[sandungas]

I think mine's busted because I used a butter serving knife to remove the ihs on the rsx and probably put some pressure on top of the cell and that's why it's doing what it's doing.
I'll have a look at the mobo as i never bothered to reassemble it clean it with alcohol and see how it goes.

What you did is not specially harmful, personally i dont like it because is like playing lottery
But ive seen lot of people that did it that way and the result was fine

One test you can do is to try to turn on the motherboard without the other parts
The minimal parts (as far i remember) are the motherboard tself, the switch board (the one with the buttons), the PSU. And heatsink in his position and fan connected (as a prevention just just incase it boots, it gets hot very fast)

 

[Filipe Santos]

What you did is not specially harmful, personally i dont like it because is like playing lottery
But ive seen lot of people that did it that way and the result was fine

One test you can do is to try to turn on the motherboard without the other parts
The minimal parts (as far i remember) are the motherboard tself, the switch board (the one with the buttons), the PSU. And heatsink in his position and fan connected (as a prevention just just incase it boots, it gets hot very fast)

funny you mentioned that because i just did that but no effect. same thing turns off then switches off right after. this one's done mate. had enough abuse lol.
I removed the bottom metal case plugged it all in with heatsink on and nothing so it's like i said it's dead mate no point trying anything with this. If i had knowledge on how to work with electronic components I could test every single component and find where the cause was and then fix it , but in my case I don't so , it's dead in the water as the way i see it and nothing can be done with it except getting another one.
And yeah mate , opening things with sharp blades and knifes aren't the proper method these are electronic components and very sensible to such things. In order to proceed with the best method to remove ihs boards it requires heat guns and more careful methods in order to remove them off.
I wouldn't trust youtube tbh.
Both slims that died on me with same problem are 2503b's.
I'll be grabbing the superslim and see how temps are with factory settings if temps go above than normal then i'll get some gloves , thermal paste , open it carefully and reassemble it again with new paste and i'm done.
I haven't had any luck with these ps3s.
Thanks for your help mate least we tried.

 

[Filipe Santos]

This is my recordings so far this morning. I recorded these readings getting to two(2) hours of using the console. I'll like you to see & pass your comment. Recommendation will be cool.
The console is CECH-2503B.
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I'll try your maximum temperature rate (ie 75dC) to see if it'll solve the noisy fan issue.

Hi Ben I was looking at your temps again and that 80c cpu with rsx so much lower is really puzzling but I'll tell you best you can do is just opening it and replace thermal paste on both and do it very carefully specially removing the motherboard.
Then only after you put it all together you can see if there's any difference.
Thing is there's like 20c difference in between which is something that I would worry.
If you've changed thermal paste then depending on your ps3 model it'll need a ihs removal but I don't recommend it. I'd get an expert to do it if he's willing to.
If nothing is done then your ps3 will probably die.

Regarding software , you can control and limit fan speeds but that will only mask the issue , it won't fix it even if you turn the fan real high with time the fan motor might break too. So it's a no win situation really.

 

[Filipe Santos]

GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING !! I just dissembled my ps3 to change the thermal paste. And now boom!! It won't switch on :c

Yeah that's what I'm afraid to now.
I'll be getting a superslim and if needs thermal paste changed , damn there's always a risk and that's what I'm afraid it'll happen.
Might be lucky or might not who knows. Some others give them motherboards some real abuse and they still work so I don't know really , I'll see how it goes.

 

[wrx884]

I think mine's busted because I used a butter serving knife to remove the ihs on the rsx and probably put some pressure on top of the cell and that's why it's doing what it's doing.
I'll have a look at the mobo as i never bothered to reassemble it clean it with alcohol and see how it goes.

TBH theres nothing wrong with using a butter knife as long as it isnt sharp, but must be ridged enough to not have any flex. In fact its my go to tool when i remove the GPU's IHS's, along with a 0.5mm plastic card that slots in the gap where u remove them between the IHS and GPU itself so the butter knife doesn't dent or puncture the GPU's top surface. But like i said b4 with a little more help using a wand like i do u can remove it safely. Everyone will have diff methods, some will work for others much better and not for some it really just comes down to knowing urself and the pressures needed to make it a successful lift. Ideally u dont want any force used on them but u kinda have no choice. When i 1st started out i think it took me 2-3 practice boards to really get it down pat and this is ur 1st couple ever so u done alright so far.

 

[sandungas]

Ideally u dont want any force used on them but u kinda have no choice.

That sentence made me laught a bit because is so true, thats the dilemma
The point is there is going to be some force applyed, and you need to "neutralize" it... by applying another force in the opposite direction

Lets say... for CELL deliding you are "pushing" the IHS laterally to cut the silicone... so you need to "grab" the IHS at the other side with your fingers
This way the solder balls under it are not suffering any force twisting them... are like neutral

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Btw, that method you mentioned by using a wand... im interested in it, can you explain it a bit or show a link where you was talking about it ? (im serious)

Right now im wondering if you mean a wand like this

Spoiler

and this is a joke :P

 

[Filipe Santos]

TBH theres nothing wrong with using a butter knife as long as it isnt sharp, but must be ridged enough to not have any flex. In fact its my go to tool when i remove the GPU's IHS's, along with a 0.5mm plastic card that slots in the gap where u remove them between the IHS and GPU itself so the butter knife doesn't dent or puncture the GPU's top surface. But like i said b4 with a little more help using a wand like i do u can remove it safely. Everyone will have diff methods, some will work for others much better and not for some it really just comes down to knowing urself and the pressures needed to make it a successful lift. Ideally u dont want any force used on them but u kinda have no choice. When i 1st started out i think it took me 2-3 practice boards to really get it down pat and this is ur 1st couple ever so u done alright so far.

hi mate.
well yeah i didn't scratch the chip or anything and far as i remember i didn't put extreme force to the board either since i was aware that could cause problems but sure i wasn't lucky anyways and now i hate the fact i wrecked it when i had it already opened and changed thermal paste on top just and temps were on 60c idle the least , both cpu and rsx so my mistake really i still couldve had it here running fine if i hadnt adventure myself on trying to go as far as removing the ihs (which I won't do again) and that's why I'm just gonna get a superslim check how the temps are first and then if the fan goes real loud i'll investigate and change thermal paste and that's all i'll be doing.
I'll be also getting some gloves to perform that just in case.

 

[Filipe Santos]

That sentence made me laught a bit because is so true, thats the dilemma
The point is there is going to be some force applyed, and you need to "neutralize" it... by applying another force in the opposite direction

Lets say... for CELL deliding you are "pushing" the IHS laterally to cut the silicone... so you need to "grab" the IHS at the other side with your fingers
This way the solder balls under it are not suffering any force twisting them... are like neutral

---------
Btw, that method you mentioned by using a wand... im interested in it, can you explain it a bit or show a link where you was talking about it ? (im serious)

Right now im wondering if you mean a wand like this

Spoiler

and this is a joke :P

haha funny i thought the same harry potter style lmao! XD
it's true you really have no choice obviously some force is always required. maybe a jedi would be the right tool ?
maybe one of these would be the perfect tool to cut the ihs seriously.

it's like butter.

 

[wrx884]

That sentence made me laught a bit because is so true, thats the dilemma
The point is there is going to be some force applyed, and you need to "neutralize" it... by applying another force in the opposite direction


Btw, that method you mentioned by using a wand... im interested in it, can you explain it a bit or show a link where you was talking about it ? (im serious)

Right now im wondering if you mean a wand like this

Spoiler

and this is a joke :P

hahaha i wish it worked in the same way, maybe theres another name u guys call it? but basically its a small hand held hot air station "wand" i cant attach photos for some reason but this is it lol. Its what i use to remove certain components but more importantly its used to re-attach new solder balls on BGA chips.

https://multi-com.eu/,details,id_pr,15993,key,hot-air-scotle-858d,smenu,service_tools.html

 

[Filipe Santos]

hahaha i wish it worked in the same way, maybe theres another name u guys call it? but basically its a small hand held hot air station "wand" i cant attach photos for some reason but this is it lol. Its what i use to remove certain components but more importantly its used to re-attach new solder balls on BGA chips.

https://multi-com.eu/,details,id_pr,15993,key,hot-air-scotle-858d,smenu,service_tools.html

yeah that's what you use to remove the ihs boards by heating them up first and them pry them open with much less force because that'll help a lot by melting the silicone and paste. thought this was a heat gun or maybe that's what it is but they call it a a hot air scotle.
Here's the proper procedure (you guys can forget about the nsc guy he's a serious twat).

and still as you can see it's not easy to get it off and i wouldn't use a flat heat screwdriver. I think every method is always a bit dangerous with a flat screwdriver you also risk putting pressure on the cpu plus scratching the ihs rsx board by doing it.
in this case maybe he was successful by using a heat gun so to the point he didnt even need to put any or very few pressure on it and maybe that's why he's using a screwdriver just to pop it off.
Plus he said he also twists the screwdriver a bit so i wouldn't really use this method. But again there's always a risk so... up to you guys I know I won't do it again that's for sure and that's why I'm jumping onto a superslim. Woops!
I'll be getting gloves , open it if needed , apply new thermal paste and clean it and hopefully it'll be like brand new!
He also brought to my attention that if the chips blue that's due to heat damage and mine was blue actually so there ya go.
Doesn't happen to superslims.
And you can still see after he heated the cpu how hard it still is to remove it and he bends a mobo aswel so im completely out of buying slims because it's always a risk having to repair them.
Some comments on the video also show some people that attemped this and ended up with same problem as i did. Ps3 starts and turns off right after. Rip slims.

 

[wrx884]

yeah theres some bits i agree with what hes doing but also some i dont which u have pointed out some already, but if it works for him than thats they way u stick with it. tho u watch closely u can see hes kinda rough with it, see how easy the board flexes and a lot of the time u dont even realise ur doing it, but sometimes its all it takes to disturb the BGA sites unfortunately.

 

[Filipe Santos]

yeah theres some bits i agree with what hes doing but also some i dont which u have pointed out some already, but if it works for him than thats they way u stick with it. tho u watch closely u can see hes kinda rough with it, see how easy the board flexes and a lot of the time u dont even realise ur doing it, but sometimes its all it takes to disturb the BGA sites unfortunately.

yep that's exactly what i was talking about he flexed the mobo big time and you never get to see if the ps3 works after or not after assembly he's probably using a dead board to show it like all the others do.
anybody could easily do this with a dead board and then show you a working ps3 with a different board.
some people attempted this on the comments and ended up with same prob as me. its rip slims for me.
that's why i said don't trust youtube. it's fine they're showing it but you never know what's going on behind. that's why i'm not buying another slim. i'm not going through this again.
Oh and someone told me after this , if its successful , the difference is only 2c-3c so it's not really worth it.
So i'm deffo picking a superslim soon as , see how the temps go , maybe change paste and hopefully it'll last for another 8 years.
And it doesn't really matter for me if there's paste under the cell or not because any attempt to remove them it's always a risk , and I know the nsc guy shown it but from what people also say around here is that's not needed because they were soldered.
Look at this!
Well done nsc!

here's another video of his where he removed the ihs of the cell of a superslim.
jump to 5:09 if you want to see as the guy can be really annoying, again i dont know if this is real or not, so don't trust everything you see on youtube.

I know some people here said that you can't remove the ihs on the superslims but he did it anyways.
But for a fact that you don't see the ps3 working on the video and it's easy making videos to lead other people doing the same and ending up destroying them.
So there ya go. Paste or no paste under the ihs I won't be touching it and that's for sure , else chances are you gonna end up with a dead ps3 right after and for a mere 2c-3c ain't worth it.
Some ps3's can run cooler than others , some run at 50-55c others around 60c who knows why ,maybe you're in a cooler room than I am! ;P

 

[sandungas]

The motherboard in the video is a KTE-001, it seems since that model the CELL is sticked with thermal glue to the IHS

People have mentioned that is soldered, but doesnt looks like, is just thermal compound, is just some of that thermal glues are solid as a rock
I made a screenshot of a frame in the video, this "metalic look" material is not solder, is silicon (the mineral)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon

Epic video btw... he was decided to remove the IHS at any cost, lol

 

[Filipe Santos]

The motherboard in the video is a KTE-001, it seems since that model the CELL is sticked with thermal glue to the IHS

People have mentioned that is soldered, but doesnt looks like, is just thermal compound, is just some of that thermal glues are solid as a rock
I made a screenshot of a frame in the video, this "metalic look" material is not solder, is silicon (the mineral)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon

Epic video btw... he was decided to remove the IHS at any cost, lol

i know the guy's absolutely bonkers regarding removing ihs boards he even done it on a bloody superslim rotfl
he's probably the internet winner to record breaking the highest number of existent ps3's LOL
im still llf at that massive pic that you've took of his so great doing it like a boss greatest work lmao
so remember folks :
do it like a boss.
remove all your ihs boards off your playstations.

 

[Filipe Santos]

Sandungas

oh and he says the silicone stuff is shitty , no wonder , after all the hard time he had trying to remove it !
''But with my ''special toolz'' it's no problem I can cut all cpus on the playstation'' lmao
sure he can
''it doesn't matter if it's model 3000 or superslim... ahmmmm yeah''
he doesn't even seem sure of himself there seriously!

''but this cpu was so hot that it was burning him'' when in fact the cpu was glued with thermal silicon.
Seriously what an idiot.