PS Vita / Ps TV VitaDB Developer has pulled all of the OneLUA Apps

[atreyu187]

So as of last night all of the lua applications had been pulled from the VitaDB since the developers will not release their source code and have been actively using others code from open source projects violating the GPLv3 license.

This also affects the Vita Homebrew browser as that is where it pulls its information from. Unless the Debs open their source code they will not be allowed to be featured on the site or in the application.

There's no denying that The Homebrew scene has exploded for the system a lot of that is the fact that developers to hack and majority of the community homemade everything open source to push things along as far as they have gotten.

The developer stated he did not have an issue with clothes source applications but he did have an issue with people pulling from an open source and then not sharing thus violating the terms of use. So what do you guys think about this I think it's fully Justified.

 

[bguerville]

Fully justified if the assessment is correct...

You asked for our opinion so I will give mine...
To begin with, I am totally against closed source code, especially when it comes to development for the community, it's completely ridiculous to keep homebrew's source closed unless there are very good reasons but usually there is not one single valid reason to support the use of closed source. No offence for the couple of current ps3 devs who actually do that, it's only an opinion...

Having said that, the issue here goes way beyond that, devs abusing other people's work & keeping source closed so nobody can see what losers they are, all this just to get some bs e-fame is pathetic.
It is right to get so-called devs behaving that way out of picture, as far as I am concerned, there is no excuse...
A proper dev would not need to lower himself to such shady practices in order to shine, only wannabes would...
We need more devs in general, that's a fact, but we don't need that kind of "devs".... I would rather have one Estwald or one deank than 20 such a***holes, just like I would rather have one well-coded open source homebrew than 10 unworthy closed releases made with a dodgy assemblage of other devs code...
The usual quality vs quantity...
Reusing another dev's code is fine in itself, why reinvent the wheel? But in this case, the source must remain open & proper credits must be given.

 

[STLcardsWS]

My opinion is not about the dispute between devs, but the removing of homebrew.

So the thought is Source Code should be open? but then homebrew that has been released should be hidden from user's (as it has no value to the community) ? I do not like that, its been released and people have used it . At this times its about credits and seeking to get that straight , if the assumption is correc.. but hiding releases from the community. NOPE i do not like that. Unless they are dangerous to user. then this is taking a step back and not forward in terms of the community with this thinking.

I have had much of my work stolen over the years as well, so i know how it feels but in turn it should not impact the community and others if the releases are functional. They been out there, so hiding them just makes VitaDB less attractive and ts a great resource.

Nothing wrong with making others aware if you feel someone is doing wrong, but i personally can't agree with holding releases hostage , because in all reality the line should not stop there if that is the reason, there is various other vita homebrew that have stolen code from other projects as well and guess what that is a line that can always be debated and even accused and when you start removing homebrew based on things like that its not a good thing for the community.

I do not know any of the facts or details but i just know removing functional homebrew is not a good thing for a community.

 

[atreyu187]

It's only removed from one devs site but the dev that has contributed the most plugins and apps then most of the rest of the entire community combined. He did not the the devnoname could easily splice in the OneLUA teams apps. He just doesn't want closed source on his site that doesn't at least acknowledge the code wasn't be them.

 

[bguerville]

Am not so sure @STLcardsWS...
Of course we would need more details about this to debate properly... All this is hearsay really at this stage as far as I am concerned so..

I agree, some brews will get removed, although I doubt that those are essential master pieces anyway but it may still be a shame for a handful of titles.
However I think the line has to be drawn somewhere. If you want to stop that practice you cannot accommodate it simply because it profits the community on the short term. Closed source requires the dev to update the brew continuously otherwise it usually gets abandoned completely after a few months, very rarely a few years. Also something better usually always comes along.
On the long term I believe that setting up better ethics among community devs for the sake of the community is way more important than enjoying temporarily a handful of brews that should never have been released like this in the first place.
This guy is taking a stand & I think he is right. It does not stop the brews in question from being available elsewhere anyway...

I recognise there may be exceptional circumstances that lead to closed source that is a different story.
But in general I find the practice described in OP offensive...
In fact it bothers me way more than piracy does... And you have never heard me defend piracy...

 

[uyjulian]

If I'm reading this correctly... the OneLUA apps were pulled because of a GPLv3 violation.
I don't think the VitaDB developer has any preference of open source or closed source.
The GPLv3 license requires source code to be available on request. The developers of BusyBox sued entities who violated the GPL and won.
I think the VitaDB developer just wants to avoid any trouble with GPL related stuff.

Citra also has the GPL problem, with people releasing unofficial builds and refusing to release the source code.

 

[STLcardsWS]

the OneLUA apps were pulled because of a GPLv3 violation.

Is speculation, there is no conformation at this point.

 

[GregoryRasputin]

The developer stated he did not have an issue with clothes source applications but he did have an issue with people pulling from an open source and then not sharing thus violating the terms of use. So what do you guys think about this I think it's fully Justified.

I think if you are going to host a site dedicated to PS Vita Homebrew, then you should be impartial regardless of your opinion on the developer, that being said, it is his site and he is entitled to do as he wishes with it.

To begin with, I am totally against closed source code, especially when it comes to development for the community, it's completely ridiculous to keep homebrew's source closed unless there are very good reasons but usually there is not one single valid reason to support the use of closed source.

We need more devs in general, that's a fact, but we don't need that kind of "devs".... I would rather have one Estwald or one deank than 20 such a***holes,

Reusing another dev's code is fine in itself, why reinvent the wheel? But in this case, the source must remain open & proper credits must be given.

I totally agree with you on the first part, closed source app's and Homebrew in a console scene is stupid, the only real reason to keep something closed source is that it either has crappy coding or has a ton of other peoples code and you don't want anyone else to know..

Estwald from what i remember always kept his stuff Open Source, which is what makes him one of the best developers in the scene.

Taking another devs code, suing it in your work and not giving credit is one of the lamest practices anyone can do in a scene, but the OneLUA team have strongly denied doing this.

 

[STLcardsWS]

I think if you are going to host a site dedicated to PS Vita Homebrew, then you should be impartial regardless of your opinion on the developer, that being said, it is his site and he is entitled to do as he wishes with it.

His site and he is free to do as he wishes, but we are also entitled to opinions.
I see a great service heading down the wrong road and honestly you can't say its one of the greatest resources anymore (still good but not great) because it seems personal grudges and disputes are more important then the community as a whole. If these apps were dangerous that would be one thing, but its personal.

Can;t ask the community to support VitaDB, when VitaDB is not servicing the member properly (by hiding homebrew ). There is no danger to the user of these apps.

One thing not mentioned here you have LuaPlayerPlus (by Rinn.) and you have OneLua and to me that looks like the dispute here more then anything here. Was code stolen, ????? Who knows, but still not the point on my opinion. The removal of homebrew when your trying to make a great service just does not work for the community. That is when you have to be bigger then that and realize the big picture.. Nothing wrong for standing up for something but dont like these issues affect others and make it their issue or use a service to hold a release hostage to get it Open Source with an assumption..... due to it being closed.. Come on this childish in many ways. not saying if code was stolen one should not be upset or raise issues (THEY SHOULD) but dont affect a community on a service your were promoting and other places were promoting as well.

I totally agree with you on the first part, closed source app's and Homebrew in a console scene is stupid, the only real reason to keep something closed source is that it either has crappy coding or has a ton of other peoples code and you don't want anyone else to know..

Estwald from what i remember always kept his stuff Open Source, which is what makes him one of the best developers in the scene.

Taking another devs code, suing it in your work and not giving credit is one of the lamest practices anyone can do in a scene, but the OneLUA team have strongly denied doing this.

Closed Source does not mean someone is doing something wrong and not the only reason to make something closed.

If i was developing something and it was a WIP and i knew i would be adding things and i did not want the release modded to a point where it was more polished is something we see often and there is nothing wrong with that. Open Source does does more for the community but i have also seen Open Source projects abused as well ..

I think there is valid reasons and concerns to keep something closed in certain situations, and i do not think we should also states it bad. .

 

[GregoryRasputin]

but we are also entitled to opinions.

Of course we are, which is why i gave mine :p

I see a great service heading down the wrong road and honestly you can't say its one of the greatest resources anymore (still good but not great) because it seems personal grudges and disputes are more important then the community as a whole. If these apps were dangerous that would be one thing, but its personal.

I am on the fence about the whole thing, if Rin's code is stolen i can understand him being angry , anyone of us would be angry if our code was stolen....
but at the same time he is providing a service to the community, which should be the ultimate source for downloading PS Vita Homebrew, but it loses some of it's appeal by removing homebrew because he 'think's some of his code was stolen, from what i gather he doesn't actually know if it truly is.
Yes it can be considered childish, but none of us here are innocent of doing things in anger.
I do hope both sides can work it out as they both release awesome stuff and OneLUA's stuff not being on a repository for Vita Homebrew just doesn't seem right.

Closed Source does not mean someone is doing something wrong and not the only reason to make something closed.

I hate closed source, i hate it almost as much as i hate True Blue and you know i hate it quite a lot :p
I think in a console scene, where its all about community, leaning and sharing, that closed sourced should be frowned upon.


Perhaps @No0bZiLLa could help you create a Vita Repository for this site?

 

[STLcardsWS]

I agree hopefully they can resolve the issue among them,

Closed Source sucks but there can be a purpose. I think the end goal for any project should be OpenSource but being closed (on certain apps) can be good to start. I think it did REBUG good at first and was better to see the toolbox polished before that source code was released. Sometimes its bad, (most times its bad) but i do not think its always with bad intentions in mind.

But overall Best policy and what moves the scene forward is Open Source and that is the road that needs to be paved for the end goal. However its a choice how one wants to share their own code,

If stealing code and keeping that private that is not cool and should not happen, but service removing released homebrew due to code assumptions just is not good for VitaDB in the long run and i think we agree completely on that aspect.

Heck we all have been angry and we all have called out things and i have no issue with Rinn. defending his work if he feels the need. But for me and yourself as well we just are not in a position to know who is right or not and Rinn does not even.

 

[BenMitnicK]

It's not easy to slice, when you take a few codes but you credits, I do not see where the problem is, or even when you say that your code is based on this or that person, if you do not want to disclose your Code because you only took a bit of code, or you relyed on it but you credits the code I do not see where the problem is. you can take the problem in reverse, for those who credits the code and who posts the code, why is it not found on vitadb ?? I say that some dev eat between them for nothing, they are real kid, then it hurts the community more than anything else. We should help each other and have fun at the places to take the head