PS2 (WIP) XtremeEliteBoot+ (a powerful alternative for FMCB)

[sandungas]

@ElSinGao there is nothing to talk about XEB+ by now ?, dunno... something HWNJ allowed you to tell but you consider has not been explained well yet ?

We are aware that bratz screenshots are highly prohibited by Cárdenas authorities, but something interesting to talk about in the meantime ?

 

[ElSinGao]

@ElSinGao there is nothing to talk about XEB+ by now ?, dunno... something HWNJ allowed you to tell but you consider has not been explained well yet ?

We are aware that bratz screenshots are highly prohibited by Cárdenas authorities, but something interesting to talk about in the meantime ?

Actually, yes, I found XEB+ more like a All-In-One package.
Do not missunderstandme.
I found it like a System Menu ready to use with all you applications in there. You have all your apps in there, you can edit language and video settings on the XEB+ menu, etc.
Also the PC installers are ready for idiots. PSXtreme does almost everything you need. It converts from CloneCD images to VCD (no need to convert them to CUE and BIN), you can link your VMCs, edit cheats and settings. Really nice.
PS2SX... I honestly just installed Bratz in there to test it and changed a couple of settings and... just that... not more testings.
USBInstaller. I hate the CMD window and having no progress bar on that, but it is more compatible than USBUtil, at least with CD games, and supports more formats.
Summary: Put a monkey in the PS2 and he will be able to use it.
It is noob-proof as @HWNJ said.
You will say the same when you have it in your hands: it is a easy to use All-In-One package with system functions.

 

[ElSinGao]

I hope I did not said something private...

 

[TnA]

Ssoooooooo, I am gonna be 'the hair'/'too much salt' in the soup...

This post is not intended as a bashing of any of the following persons, but solely to make it clear, that this won't go well if he doesn't give the needed credit, where it is MANDATORY!

Edit: ...alright... I removed the text, which might came across too harsh or even insultive.
I really do not mean/intend to insult anyone!

Sorry if I offended someone with my previous non-edited reply!

I also added some other (non-harsh) text...

@ElSinGao : Edit: Please refrain from spreading ideologies here...

Back to XEB+:

1. THX for getting him out of his home and providing some news about it!
2. The video certainly gives some insight, which is why I suggested it as a preview at least! Thank you (both) for providing that!
3. Giving me a dislike for stating facts (on psxtools.de), doesn't nullify the facts that I listed there.

@HWNJ: I am quite sure, that you were the one back in the days who shared his ('noob-proof') FMCB-Alternative with me and I told you various things, along the lines of: 'changing the logo is not warranted', 'that I am 'not yet impressed' for various reasons', but that it is 'interesting nonetheless (even tho' I probably would still use the FMCB/FHDB-NP) and 'if you gather more skills, this could become more interesting' (essentially is what I told you, or another person who had the same idea/intend)!


The FMCB-License is still valid and in place... I haven't seen ANYTHING which does allow a change of the logo, nor is it a self-made bootloader/core/payload... The interesting thing, is the supposedly custom ELF-Launcher (XEB+-Main-menu), but that still doesn't warrant violating FMCB's license.

Your Payload is simply an open FMCB-Version with the logo changed, is it not?
This is clearly a violation of the license of the sources of the apps you were clearly using for your project (atleast it becomes one, when sharing a binary...).

Regarding the XEB+-Mainmenu: That actually looks like a new and developed app! So if it is, you qualified to be a developer...

I get it... Development for a PS2 isn't as easy, but specifically because of that, you should also respect the licenses of the code you are using, to get respect back in return. If you don't respect it, how can you assume/want that someone else is respecting your work?!

I suppose it could be a useful 'Install-Package' and even noob-proof, but I certainly don't like the logo-change at all!

Regarding setting the language in a custom app, rather than the PS2-Menu... Well, I see no sense in doing it this way...
First off, a 'per-game-language-emulation' would be way more flexible and second, it should be a proper actual emulation i.e. via a TSR-Routine, or via setting the new language in RAM, a re-init or etc. just before a game starts or whatever, instead of writing to the NVRAM... basically saying... a REAL language-emulation would be better...

Every contribution is good to see, so let's give you the benefit of the doubt... If you are the person from back then, then you have atleast learned quite a bit.


Edit: Btw.: The PC-tool which supports CCD-Images is useful, tho'.


Best regards,
TnA

 

[TnA]

Alright, I edited my previous reply because it probably would come across harsh, for 'normal human beings'...


Apologies to those who did read it (the non-edited version), or will read it...


I also added more (nothing harsh) to the previous post.

 

[Agrippa]

Yeah, the so called "language emulation" is so stupid. The majority of games have got the ability to select the language after booting the game. Some set the language according to the OSDSYS settings. So if you don't have some pervert ideas as playing the games each time in different language, it's sufficient to change the OSDSYS to the favourite one.

I don't think if there is something revolutionary in this software. At least not something as big as Cuban Revolution. And what's more, it's laughable keeping informations about the new features private. It's a nearly 20 years old system, whose owners are decreasing day by day. I'm sure that revealing them won't lead us to the second Cuban Crisis.

And the last but not least, translations. Many users invested their spare time in translating this software. They didn't have an access to it though. It's very unprofessional. Imagine translating movies during their production stage, long before all takes are made.

Please, don't get offended, I'm just expressing my opinion. You know, it's 13 pages of blablabla and one video. Only hype, no concrets.

 

[TnA]

Yeah, the so called "language emulation" is so stupid. The majority of games have got the ability to select the language after booting the game. Some set the language according to the OSDSYS settings. So if you don't have some pervert ideas as playing the games each time in different language, it's sufficient to change the OSDSYS to the favourite one.

Well, I think it actually could be of use if it is included in OPL, but it is not matching the type of application (XEB+), IMO...

I don't think if there is something revolutionary in this software. At least not something as big as Cuban Revolution. And what's more, it's laughable keeping informations about the new features private. It's a nearly 20 years old system, whose owners are decreasing day by day. I'm sure that revealing them won't lead us to the second Cuban Crisis.

Well, he is entitled to keep as much informations, however he pleases... I personally am more concerned about not respecting and also crediting the used software and sources in the appropriate way...

Whatever features it might include... It quite certainly WILL be useful to some people... But I am quite uncertain, to which degree and to me personally it is rather about the 'Creditz&Claimz'...

And the last but not least, translations. Many users invested their spare time in translating this software. They didn't have an access to it though. It's very unprofessional. Imagine translating movies during their production stage, long before all takes are made.

Well,... Not sure what to say about it... You've got a point, that sending it to people (for a translation) ahead of a release, might not have been the best way to handle it, but I suppose he wanted them all included in the 'XEB-Main-menu' to begin with (so users would not have to look around and where to place the files and etc., a.k.a. 'noob-proof').

Please, don't get offended, I'm just expressing my opinion. You know, it's 13 pages of blablabla and one video. Only hype, no concrets.

There is one now! --> https://openload.co/f/qIkGDOpHivY/XEBPLUS.mp4

 

[TnA]

I am sorry for how I wrote the long post before... I edited it various times, to keep it factual. Please re-read...

It just seems/-ed there is quite an unqualified claim for credit (i.e. logo-change at the thing which actually boots all that stuff...)!

The Loader has 2 Creditz (atleast)... I don't mean the names of the contributors, but:

1. The MG-Hacking and exploitation up to this point (multi-region, multi-console [Retail-PS2, PS2 (with) DVR/'PSX', some others...) from MC and HDD and as 'bootable partitions' and other related things...
2. The Payload itself... This is the actual code/ELF in the 'FMCB-Loader'-KELF...
3. etc.

On these things alone, - which is what the FMCB-Loader consist of - multiple people where involved.

Even if it is non-configurable in the XEB+-Version, that does not warrant a logo-change...

 

[ElSinGao]

Your Payload is simply an open FMCB-Version with the logo changed, is it not?

In my personal perspective... it seems that it is not a FMCB with the Logo changed. Check the video. The screen does NOT blink when going from the logo to the XEB menu, so it does not changes the ELF (my personal impression, I am not sure). The logo could be a "loading" for the menu itself. It could be loading the graphics and then when the load is done, it shows the menu

Regarding setting the language in a custom app, rather than the PS2-Menu... Well, I see no sense in doing it this way...

I know a guy here in my country who imported a PS2 from Russia some years ago and it had no Spanish language in the menu, so this could be useful for him if he wants to play his games in Spanish

Edit: Btw.: The PC-tool which supports CCD-Images is useful, tho'.

Sure it is, it was useful to me when installing Sailor Moon on PSXtreme

The majority of games have got the ability to select the language after booting the game.

*cough* Silent Hill 2: Saigo no Uta

Edit: ...alright... I removed the text, which might came across too harsh or even insultive.
I really do not mean/intend to insult anyone!

I got the original on my e-mail. Honestly, it insults everyone, and, no offense intended, you seems to be a guy who never had a girlfriend before.
You must be glad you did not read the deleted post about @MALK and Microsoft

It just seems/-ed there is quite an unqualified claim for credit (i.e. logo-change at the thing which actually boots all that stuff...)!

I guess that if he take code from somewhere, he will tell

Take my time to read this thread again, to search for differences with FMCB, I found this:

XtremeEliteBoot+ objetives?
1 - Add more functions to the custom OSD it's the main objetive.
What does this means? FMCB and XEB+ are OSD replacements.
The PS2 Browser it's the console's Default OSD, but it haves his limits, by example: Language and Video mode. If your console it's from France, you can not use Japanese as language and also you can not use the NTSC video mode on the browser.

And of course, XEB packs a lot of apps from other developers:

By example: Launch games using PS2ESDL or ESR with GSM patches applied... and apply these patches just with one button.
Well, XEB+ haves a quick GSM button on the main GUI, you can just press it to apply the default (PS2) video patch then launch PS2ESDL or ESR.
XEB+ also includes a quick GSM default PSX video patch for POPStarter.
As I said, we tried to make it easy to use and noob-friendly.

I guess he will make a very long list of credits on the release.
And regarding FMCB:

What diferences does XEB+ haves with FMCB?
1 - While SP193 focus the develpoment of FMCB on compatibility with more PS2 models and entry points, I focus the development of XEB+ on give more functions to the custom OSD.
2 - XEB+ haves some extended OSD features (like the already disclosed Language Emulation) and some other patches/stuff.
3 - FMCB and XEB+ both launches from the same entry point and both allows to launch applications from the Memory Cards or USB devices.
4 - FMCB requires the user to configure where the apps are and how to launch them.
XEB+ comes with a default location for each application and they are crosslinked in every possible way.
The applications get's installed on the default location by the XEB+ installer.

It seems that at least the entry point is the same

On my testings I noticed at least a "notable" use of source code not related to XEB+: GSM
The XEB+ menu haves some buttons to load GSM and apply an specific quick video patch with them. If you check the pictures from the Memory Card at the end of the video, you will see a GS2.ELF and a GSX.ELF files in mc0:/BOOT/ so I think they are GSM for PS2 and GSM for PSX respectively. @HWNJ correct me if I am wrong. Actually the only 2018 files in BOOT are GS2.ELF, GSX.ELF and XEBPLUS.ELF
There are some 2017 files I am curious about, specially one called HWCB.IRX

@TnA please check the video again. I will like someone more experienced than me to check some stuff I do not talk about here as I am not sure if they are exclusive or not:
A - The way XEB+ loads the System Menu. For me XEB seems to boot before System Menu (and prevent it from booting) The only way to reach the System Menu is if you select the Exit+ function and it loads it like if you turn on your PS2 with no memory card in there (no FMCB menu or anything, just Browser and System Configuration) The only difference could be the video mode as it changes from NTSC to PAL if I chose to do it. Did some app did this before?
B - The language emulation. It seems to me that XEB does not save it to the System Configuration and instead applies it once it loads, because if I reset my PS2 and take out my Memory Card my PS2 loads using the language I saved on the system configuration.
C - What is "sceCdWriteNVM()"? What does it haves so special? How does XEB+ uses it? @HWNJ just told me the last time we talk that it is a way to write the system configuration and it is only on a old SDK he haves.
D - On mc0:/BAEXEC-SYSTEM/, the files osd130.elf and osdmain.elf haves different sizes. If I install FMCB on a memory card, these files gets the same size. If they are different in XEB+, this could mean this is not FMCB related code, at least for the installer or the core?

 

[ElSinGao]

@ElSinGao : Edit: Please refrain from spreading ideologies here...

What do you mean?

 

[ElSinGao]

Giving me a dislike for stating facts (on psxtools.de), doesn't nullify the facts that I listed there.

Wenn dich die Dislike beleidigt hat, tut es mir leid.
But for me, saying it is fake with no proofs is the same as saying it is real with no proofs.

 

[MALK]

@ElSinGao said:
But for me, saying it is fake with no proofs is the same as saying it is real with no proofs.

exactly you are saying stuff with no proof ElSingao the video doesn't prove it's original it looks like an fmcb clone and believe me there are alotta fmcb clones the only way we know is if he release the beta when we asked for it he only sent people pictures and text files with no executables.
nobody is gonna belive your personal perspective you can't force someone to believe you without solid evidence if he released a public beta we would've known what it really is.
why is hwnj soo scared of releasing a public beta.

 

[ElSinGao]

exactly you are saying stuff with no proof ElSingao the video doesn't prove it's original it looks like an fmcb clone and believe me there are alotta fmcb clones the only way we know is if he release the beta when we asked for it he only sent people pictures and text files with no executables.

where it looks like FMCB?
FMCB behavior:
Logo -> Edited System Browser
XEB+ Behavior:
Logo -> XEB+ Menu

If you said it looks like a FMCB you must be crazy, it looks more like OPL:
OPL Behavior:
Logo -> OPL Menu

why is hwnj soo scared of releasing a public beta.

I guess he is afraid of people leaking it:

I had plans for releasing a BETA for foreigners but it became an issue with validation. I talked about this with @sp193 but it go to a dead road when I managed to get it working but consuming more space (and OSDSYS replacements haves a size limit, specially on Slim consoles).
So, I end-up with no comfortable way to get online and XEB+ getting "leakable" in a BETA, so I paused every world-related stuff and started a local BETA test.
I have plans for releasing a BETA for everyone in the world 1 week early to the official release, so I won't care if it gets leaked on that period.

 

[MALK]

iam talking about clones that work like this:
fmcb --->edited logo---->custom gui that launches elfs.
and that's how xeb looks like.
thats exactly what happened in the past they will edit the logo then make fmcb redirect you to the custom gui app elf that they made it is too damn easy.

 

[sandungas]

 

[TnA]

In my personal perspective... it seems that it is not a FMCB with the Logo changed. Check the video. The screen does NOT blink when going from the logo to the XEB menu, so it does not changes the ELF (my personal impression, I am not sure). The logo could be a "loading" for the menu itself. It could be loading the graphics and then when the load is done, it shows the menu

Yes, that could very well be and if it merely uses the MG-Exploit without the Payload ,that's fine, but a finished 'product' definitely should include some credit to the original creators of it... Up to 1.8c that's Jimmikaelkael and Neme...

..and the Trump-Hillary-Game is a bit annoying...

HWNJ played the Trump with saying things, 'it's gonna be awesome'-like (no Xtreme Elite... while intended for noobs...) - statements, or 'I could have done it...'-like-statements which are somehow feeling sad and just fishy, when someone seem to make a mystery about something while in the same breath advertise it.

I said, I do believe he has something and that he qualified as a developer, if the XEB+-Menu is his real and that I believe, that is the most interesting part because it really seems real...

But you have to understand that there were MULTIPLE instances, where the people simply rebranded the Loader, or even 'sold' for 100£ (Pound) or more, for a freakin 3£ China-MC... We had soooo many instances of this happening, that it should definitely be mentioned (not so much for the Homebrew-Apps itself, but specifically the 'entry point' and/or the Payload).


...and you played Hillary, while always referring to things like 'lesbian', 'man', 'no girlfriend' and other nonsense which has nothing to do with this thread, or why we are here!

This is dividing... and that's what I mirrored to you, with that exact thing which was directed at you, but which I deleted.

I know a guy here in my country who imported a PS2 from Russia some years ago and it had no Spanish language in the menu, so this could be useful for him if he wants to play his games in Spanish

I do not question the feature itself, but rather the implementation into a boot-Loader, when it is rather game-related feature (but well, that might be alright) and the mentioned function about writing to NVRAM doesn't really seem to make it an 'emulation'...

But since you now mentioned some things like the GSM-Thing, he might have a newer variation which is based on a TSR (could be Re-used in apps started after it, etc.), or similar.

Sure it is, it was useful to me when installing Sailor Moon on PSXtreme

Did I said anything else? Yes, that is useful!

I got the original on my e-mail.

Good! I hope you see to what that ideologues stuff you want to spread here leads... to reflect that kind of irrationality...

I however should not have expanded your behavior and Mirroring it onto XEB+ or HWNJ and 'questioned' something specific.

I already said... If it was him (with the same idea), he has learned quite a bit!

Honestly, it insults everyone,

Honestly... You are not entitled to speak for everyone... Noone is entitled to do so... because thats irrational.

and, no offense intended, you seems to be a guy who never had a girlfriend before.

You are sooooo wrong! ^^
...and no offense intended, but you are providing my point and especially the 'Warning for those who melt at room-temperature.', which was specifically for you spreading your WAY OFF-TOPIC 'stuff', especially and even use it as 'arguments'... Arguments however are fact-based and derived from truth, not feelings...
Facts>Feelings

You must be glad you did not read the deleted post about @MALK and Microsoft

Duuuude... ah... No! (I am sorry, I will use proper pronouns...)
Two assumptions in one sentence?

Where du you just 'derive' all these 'facts' from? Lol

I guess that if he take code from somewhere, he will tell

O.k.

Take my time to read this thread again, to search for differences with FMCB, I found this:

Well, I hope he stands to his claims and is not just there for the fame... That's another thing we had for various times and it is getting annoying, but yes I said months ago already, that I believe he shared an XEB-Preview or so years ago... So I said, I believe he had 'something'.

And of course, XEB packs a lot of apps from other developers:

I guess he will make a very long list of credits on the release.

He doesn't need to make a list for every snippet, but some things should be named, like when something from an app was used (uLE/wLE, etc.) or if even parts of the overall 'FMCB-Project' (MG-Exploit) are included.

And regarding FMCB:

It seems that at least the entry point is the same

On my testings I noticed at least a "notable" use of source code not related to XEB+: GSM
The XEB+ menu haves some buttons to load GSM and apply an specific quick video patch with them. If you check the pictures from the Memory Card at the end of the video, you will see a GS2.ELF and a GSX.ELF files in mc0:/BOOT/ so I think they are GSM for PS2 and GSM for PSX respectively. @HWNJ correct me if I am wrong. Actually the only 2018 files in BOOT are GS2.ELF, GSX.ELF and XEBPLUS.ELF
There are some 2017 files I am curious about, specially one called HWCB.IRX

Interesting... Well your new posts certainly revealed a few ideas which make it very likely that he does know his stuff, especially if his language-emulation doesn't necessarily write to the NVRAM...

@TnA please check the video again. I will like someone more experienced than me to check some stuff I do not talk about here as I am not sure if they are exclusive or not:
A - The way XEB+ loads the System Menu. For me XEB seems to boot before System Menu (and prevent it from booting)

You do realize, that this is the same behavior as the old FMCB-Versions which did not have the 'hacked OSDSYS' or if set FMCB to autoboot an ELF... Well, I suppose he has a micro-sized 'Kickstarter' ELF embedded as 'OSDSYS-Update', which then starts the external XEBMAIN.ELF or is it all in one KELF?

The only way to reach the System Menu is if you select the Exit+ function and it loads it like if you turn on your PS2 with no memory card in there (no FMCB menu or anything, just Browser and System Configuration) The only difference could be the video mode as it changes from NTSC to PAL if I chose to do it. Did some app did this before?

There are multiple ways to start the Browser, even with an MC-Update present. Either someone patches the path to the MC-update in the OSDSYS, or you can also start the OSDSYS via - SkipMc-Arg...
Yes FMCB can also change the VMode of the OSDSYS...

Browser
B - The language emulation. It seems to me that XEB does not save it to the System Configuration and instead applies it once it loads, because if I reset my PS2 and take out my Memory Card my PS2 loads using the language I saved on the system configuration.

That's interesting... Than I really ask myself why that NVRAM-Thing 'just came into play'...

C - What is "sceCdWriteNVM()"? What does it haves so special? How does XEB+ uses it? @HWNJ just told me the last time we talk that it is a way to write the system configuration and it is only on a old SDK he haves.

Well, let's see...

D - On mc0:/BAEXEC-SYSTEM/, the files osd130.elf and osdmain.elf haves different sizes. If I install FMCB on a memory card, these files gets the same size. If they are different in XEB+, this could mean this is not FMCB related code, at least for the installer or the core?

We will see...

I am sure I mentioned it in PMs and a thread, but if I didn't said it here, I give him the benefit of the doubt (so that he does credit those who worked on the Specific MG-/KELF-Creation.

What do you mean?

I mentioned it earlier in this post.

Wenn dich die Dislike beleidigt hat, tut es mir leid.
But for me, saying it is fake with no proofs is the same as saying it is real with no proofs.

I did NOT said what you claim here... und wenn du dem Deutschen mächtig bist, dann wäre dass vorsätzliches falsch verstehen...
...or you should fix your translator...

I essentially just listed some 'fishy' things and you do realize that the post was from 3.Juli, where it did look exactly like that?!

iam talking about clones that work like this:
fmcb --->edited logo---->custom gui that launches elfs.
and that's how xeb looks like.
thats exactly what happened in the past they will edit the logo then make fmcb redirect you to the custom gui app elf that they made it is too damn easy.

Well, at least the Main-Menu and it's feature would still be a real development with some unique features.

 

[TnA]

Analysis of the now available informations and an assumption about XEB+'s structure...

osdmain.elf: So the 'entry point' seems to be a very minimal ELF-Launcher which essentially solely is intended to start XMBPLUS.ELF and it does not have any logo... Well, if it essentially is just a minimal custom ELF-Loader (his own 'EMBED.ELF'), he DOES NOT NEED to have the FMCB-Logo!

XEBPLUS.ELF: This is essentially the thing you see, when the XEB+-Logo is shown + the menu shown afterwards!

If that is true as well, than the XEB+-Logo is also fine, because the XEBPLUS.ELF is his (own) creation!

...the additional stuff, like linked ELFs or Themes and their credits also DO NOT NEED to be named in the XEBPLUS.ELF, but code from others should definitely be mentioned in a separate CREDITS.TXT and if it is all 'bundled' in a package, it should atleast name the ELFs/app-names and their creators (in a text-file would be enough)!


THX to your last reply (@ElSinGao), it became a more clear picture how it probably is structured and if I understand it correctly (I can only assume it.), then even all credit-related things seem to be fine!

If that is the case, then I am now convinced (to a high degree) that it is neither a fake but definitely real, nor that Creditz will be claimed for work of others!


The reason I reacted so harsh before was, that the LGBTQ-Stuff you were dropping every second post, just got annoying as hell... on top of the unclear credits-situation!
That's not what The Scene is about, or what we are here for...

Don't get me wrong, but pulling some stereotypes and dropping political and cultural narratives and propaganda, just doesn't really qualify you for being a good spokesperson... (and because I had more than one girl, I know what you are thinking now... Answer: No... I didn't imply or say: 'I would be better!' :P )


My worst mistake: Taking HWNJ's project and him into my 'rant', even tho' you were the one (don't kill me for not saying 'the female') with this unqualified behavior...


I am convinced now! Even tho' I reacted a bit harsh about the logo and some other things, starting from the video you posted I still acknowledged that he qualified to be a developer (not just 'programmer', etc.), for the XEBPLUS.ELF!

But some of the Trump-Behavior from him, while keeping it all secret also WAS flukey/fishy!

But I am convinced now!

Sorry (again), if I offended especially @HWNJ...


@ElSinGao, please refrain from posting that LGBT-Stuff here... Noone is asking you out for your sexuality or mindset in that specific regard, it stirrs and encourages 'splitting' the community... We don't need that, especially in a scene which is about borderline of dying, since it's 'invention' and has occasional crazy uptimes (especially 2008, 2009, other times as well).

It would be nice, if you could tell HWNJ that it was wrong to drag him and his project into my 'rant', even tho' it wasn't his fault!

 

[STLcardsWS]

I got the original on my e-mail. Honestly, it insults everyone, and, no offense intended, you seems to be a guy who never had a girlfriend before.

I about had enough of your immature nonsense, not going to keep this game going on, immature elementary insults not welcome here, a level of maturity is required....

I will drop the bomb here and make you look like a complete idiot.. I suggest that some HONESTY start to shine through or i will shed it myself. .

Consider this is the "warning shot across the bow."...

Handle as you see fit from here and i will do the same..

 

[MALK]

@TnA we should wait for the app to be released because even if we keep arguing now we still don't have the beta to be certain the problem is the xtreme delay i mean trust me @ElSinGao you can say all you want but nobody will believe anything unless he has it say to @HWNJ that if he is not planning to release something soon at least release that beta to public or send it to me and Tna.
and Tna ignore the lesbian crap she is talking about just pretend it never happened usually some people go with insulting when they don't have a valid point she told a joke about me working at Microsoft and actually it had nothing to do with the discussion she just think that insulting someone would make her point valid but really it makes her look like a little twat.
any way this is an xeb clone soo far and you can't force me to believe you and i don't have to belive you unless there is a solid evidence.
and if he is using fmcb then he has to leave the logo as it is.
@ElSinGao you are being all defensive our goal is to find the truth don't get mad when we call it an FMCB CLONE it really looks like a clone if you've seen clones before you would've understood what we are talking about these clones share the same pattern as xeb it really looks like a clone we have the right to doubt and i don't have to belive you without a solid evidence.
iam sure you are gonna say the same crap over and over again but really there is no proof of what you are saying.
making a custom gui elf that launches elfs from specific paths is not a miracle the interesting part is the boot process.
if hwnj does happen to use fmcb i think all he has to do is leave the original logo alone i guess.

 

[TnA]

@HWNJ: I've got to know it... Are you the one, who told me about his idea in ~2011/2012?

If you are... and if I am also correct with the assumption of the structure...

Congratulations!
You came a long way...
The person I mean, was basically happy to set up the PS2SDK (I think GSHI's precompiled version with MSYS/MinGW...) and compile the FMCB-Loader... Then he could replace the logo, which is good for the learning-process, as long as he doesn't spread the binary 'openly'... (I think the way he did only to certain people was o.k.)
I certainly wouldn't be happy, if it were just a crippled FMCB-Loader...

If the structure is like I assume, then my previous - (probably) not so nice - reply was based on a wrong assumption!

But I still (since back in 2011/2012) don't get why FMCB got replaced, except for 'not showing 2 logos'...

The Project, especially the XEBPLUS.ELF seems to be a great contribution to The Scene and also the different themes for the different other Apps are cool, but why don't just thread the 'real' project (the 'core' of the project; 'XEBPLUS.ELF'), as what it seemingly is?! A great app, but not an alternative to FMCB/FHDB, because that 'bootloader' seems to be stripped down (minimum needed stuff...).
It definitely seems to be an alternative ELF-Launcher with some 'specially combined' functions...

XEBPLUS.ELF however seems to have some interesting stuff included!
If it has some OSDSYS-Hacks included based on the same principle/structure/etc. as FMCB uses, than that would qualify for a statements in the credits for the project... Neme & Jimmikaelkael...


@MALK & @STLcardsWS: If he or Chelsea Fantasy is the same person that did send me a 'project' back in 2011/2012, then I am certain he/they have something and if he did learn some stuff, or if he is one of these 2 but not the person I was talking to, then this would also be possible.

I just can't ignore the fact, that there was this one person which I remember, who I told, that I was not yet impressed, but that he should not give up, gather some more knowledge and then realize his ideas in the best possible way!

If it is him, he certainly learned quite a bit!