PS3 Expected Delidded PS3 Temp Queries

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PhinkTad

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Hi all

This is my first time posting in the forum! As you can likely tell from my title, it's a very common topic, but one I can't seem to find a definitive answer to. I am hoping for a little guidance.

I recently bought a refurbished CECHC03 backwards compatible PS3 from a reputable seller who specialises in this line of work. I don't know all the correct terminology, but the console has been modded to have Evilnat, Webman, Multiman etc. This includes custom fan controls.

The key part of this is that the console has also had both chips delidded and reset with new thermal paste.

My query is around what temperatures I should be expecting. From searching the forums, I wonder if they're slightly too high considering the work that's been done to it.

I did two tests this morning to produce some results. Results are as follows:

Allowed to idle on the console's main menu, after one hour with the fan set to 30%, the CPU is at 70 degrees Celsius and the RSX is at 61 degrees Celsius.

After being allowed to idle 'in game' for an hour (MGS HD Collection: MGS 3) with the fan set to 30%, the CPU is at 74 degrees Celsius and the RSX is at 66 degrees Celsius.

From what I've read, it's mainly the CPU I'm concerned about. I guess my main bugbear is I'm quite sensitive to noise and the fan at 30% does my nut in. Even turned down slightly to 28% it's much more bearable, but then I see the temperatures climb by two to three more degrees.

I may have gone into this under the wrong impression, but I understood that delidding the console and reapplying thermal paste should make it run relatively cool and quiet. Indeed, it is marketed as such by the seller.

I have spoken to the seller and they said I can send it back if I'm worried and they will reset the heat sink and reapply the thermal paste. But before I go through the rigmarole and pain of packaging it back up to return, I just wanted to see what everyone else thought.

Thank you.
 
Those are high for that model in idle. My cech a01 that is untouched and stock will not climb above 42 and 50 in game at 30 percent fan speeds. I haven't replaced any thermal paste at all on this console. It is still factory and very low use. My ylod a01 would hit low 70s at the same settings with new paste on the top of the ihs for reference.
 
nCadeRegal said:
Those are high for that model in idle. My cech a01 that is untouched and stock will not climb above 42 and 50 in game at 30 percent fan speeds. I haven't replaced any thermal paste at all on this console. It is still factory and very low use. My ylod a01 would hit low 70s at the same settings with new paste on the top of the ihs for reference.
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Hey thanks for responding. That would appear to be an exceptional case based on what I've read across forums! Get me one of those bad boys, please
 
There are a bunch of c model owners in the community here. Maybe a few of them could chime in here to give you an idea to ballpark that model but what I posted above should be the norm or close to it. Yea unfortunately I'd send that unit back to the seller as it should not be that high just on idle at the xmb. While delidding isn't an easy task for starters, a seasoned "seller" should know what they are doing and would at least check the console afterwards to ensure they did it properly.
 
nCadeRegal said:
There are a bunch of c model owners in the community here. Maybe a few of them could chime in here to give you an idea to ballpark that model but what I posted above should be the norm or close to it. Yea unfortunately I'd send that unit back to the seller as it should not be that high just on idle at the xmb. While delidding isn't an easy task for starters, a seasoned "seller" should know what they are doing and would at least check the console afterwards to ensure they did it properly.
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Thanks for responding again. Would be good to get some other people to contribute as well! I have decided to return the unit to the seller though. Just need to get some packaging as chucked away what it came in...! Hopefully it'll come back and perform better.
 
Honestly if you are up for it the hard work is done already. We could walk you through an attempt to repaste the unit and see if your Temps improve. They may not have taken the old silicon down far enough for good enough contact between the chips and ihs. The ihs may not be making good contact the the heat sink also. Not sure you want to risk any warranty the seller assumes at this point though.
 
nCadeRegal said:
Honestly if you are up for it the hard work is done already. We could walk you through an attempt to repaste the unit and see if your Temps improve. They may not have taken the old silicon down far enough for good enough contact between the chips and ihs. The ihs may not be making good contact the the heat sink also. Not sure you want to risk any warranty the seller assumes at this point though.
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Hi again. I have replaced thermal paste before on a previous ps3 console I had, and that was successful. As you mention, as it's within warranty and I've just paid for the console, I'd rather send it back to get them to look at it. Otherwise I would void the warranty. Before I accept it back, I'll ask to see evidence of reduced temperatures or request a different console (or a refund!).
 
nCadeRegal said:
Those are high for that model in idle. My cech a01 that is untouched and stock will not climb above 42 and 50 in game at 30 percent fan speeds. I haven't replaced any thermal paste at all on this console. It is still factory and very low use. My ylod a01 would hit low 70s at the same settings with new paste on the top of the ihs for reference.
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What the hell? That seems oddly low. I've had a few cecha-c's in my time and the normal temps for me with dynamic fan control enabled to kick in at 68c for the cell are between 25%~33% (depending on how graphically intensive the game is) for around 20c ambient room temp. My rsx is always 1~10c lower (again depending on game) as it's the only chip I can successfully delid.

40~50 while in game for a launch PS3 seems almost too cold lol
 
One thing i've done a couple times to bring my temps down on a few of my fatboys that were de-lidded to get better contact with the heatsink is to use a very thin plastic card (thinner than a CC, like an old insurance card or something) and cut it into small squares, then superglued it right below where the clamps go onto the motherboard shell. Something thin enough to not really bend or damage the motherboard, but just thick enough to force the chips and IHS's to get better contact with the heatsink to allow for better heat transfer. I recently de-lidded an A model I got my hands on for cheap and even after a de-lid, my fan was having to work way harder than it should of. I do think the NEC Tokens are a guilty suspect to creating more heat than needed too, as I have another A model that was de-lidded, but also swapped out 2 of the NEC tokens with tantalum 470's and that console's fan doesn't have to work near as hard to keep my system cool. That one idles at 64 with 33% fan speed while the other I keep at 65 and it's fan has to stay around 45% to maintain that temp. I try to keep my launch models capped at 64 or 65 degrees personally. Other fatboys and slims I can keep even a bit cooler than that, but those launch babies run a bit hotter out the gate. Hope this helps.
 
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PhinkTad said:
Hi all

This is my first time posting in the forum! As you can likely tell from my title, it's a very common topic, but one I can't seem to find a definitive answer to. I am hoping for a little guidance.

I recently bought a refurbished CECHC03 backwards compatible PS3 from a reputable seller who specialises in this line of work. I don't know all the correct terminology, but the console has been modded to have Evilnat, Webman, Multiman etc. This includes custom fan controls.

The key part of this is that the console has also had both chips delidded and reset with new thermal paste.

My query is around what temperatures I should be expecting. From searching the forums, I wonder if they're slightly too high considering the work that's been done to it.

I did two tests this morning to produce some results. Results are as follows:

Allowed to idle on the console's main menu, after one hour with the fan set to 30%, the CPU is at 70 degrees Celsius and the RSX is at 61 degrees Celsius.

After being allowed to idle 'in game' for an hour (MGS HD Collection: MGS 3) with the fan set to 30%, the CPU is at 74 degrees Celsius and the RSX is at 66 degrees Celsius.

From what I've read, it's mainly the CPU I'm concerned about. I guess my main bugbear is I'm quite sensitive to noise and the fan at 30% does my nut in. Even turned down slightly to 28% it's much more bearable, but then I see the temperatures climb by two to three more degrees.

I may have gone into this under the wrong impression, but I understood that delidding the console and reapplying thermal paste should make it run relatively cool and quiet. Indeed, it is marketed as such by the seller.

I have spoken to the seller and they said I can send it back if I'm worried and they will reset the heat sink and reapply the thermal paste. But before I go through the rigmarole and pain of packaging it back up to return, I just wanted to see what everyone else thought.

Thank you.
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What is your ambient temperature in your house/apartment? That can really influence the temps of the CPU and GPU and how hard the fan has to work to maintain your set temp.


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cfreddykrueger said:
What is your ambient temperature in your house/apartment? That can really influence the temps of the CPU and GPU and how hard the fan has to work to maintain your set temp.


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Hello! Thanks for responding. When I did those tests it wasn't very warm, between 23 - 24 degrees Celsius. Thank you.
 
While the temps are not great in my opinion, I have seen worse. It's likely they've not got the IHS plates lined up correctly or applied to much thermal paste and it's creating uneven pressure (they are really sensitive). I have been doing a few C03's in the warmer weather here in the UK and I can 9 times out of 10 get it to stick to 60-65C in GT6 or TLOU with 29% fan and 55-60C with 34% fan. Idle temps are usually in the low to mid 50's with those fan speeds.
 
Rozus said:
While the temps are not great in my opinion, I have seen worse. It's likely they've not got the IHS plates lined up correctly or applied to much thermal paste and it's creating uneven pressure (they are really sensitive). I have been doing a few C03's in the warmer weather here in the UK and I can 9 times out of 10 get it to stick to 60-65C in GT6 or TLOU with 29% fan and 55-60C with 34% fan. Idle temps are usually in the low to mid 50's with those fan speeds.
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Hey thanks for replying. That sounds a lot more reasonable and what I was expecting performance wise. I do intend to return the unit to the seller and he's said he will look at it, but I just need to obtain some suitable packaging to send it back as I hastily chucked away what it arrived in.

Failing that, where are you located in the UK? You may be my next port of call haha.
 
For those of you that have delidded, do your CELL and RSX temps run fairly close to each other? The best I've been able to achieve was 67C @ 28% fan speed on XMB after half an hour. Cell and RSX temps run within 3 degrees of each other

My units are A01s, B01s, and E01s. Curious if anybody has gotten better results.
 
nCadeRegal said:
Those are high for that model in idle. My cech a01 that is untouched and stock will not climb above 42 and 50 in game at 30 percent fan speeds. I haven't replaced any thermal paste at all on this console. It is still factory and very low use. My ylod a01 would hit low 70s at the same settings with new paste on the top of the ihs for reference.
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nCadeRegal said:
Honestly if you are up for it the hard work is done already. We could walk you through an attempt to repaste the unit and see if your Temps improve. They may not have taken the old silicon down far enough for good enough contact between the chips and ihs. The ihs may not be making good contact the the heat sink also. Not sure you want to risk any warranty the seller assumes at this point though.
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Wow never above 50 in game... I'd love to see pictures of this... Maybe you can put up some pics with webman in game temps?
 
I've posted pics in the webman page of it running. Doesn't matter now, it's a brick and I haven't had time to fix it. My son updated from 4.87 evilnat to 4.88 ofw and now when I turn it on it just black screens on me. I can access recovery but all options just black screen to. Sucks this is the best a01 I've ever owned. I'm stumped, I'm hoping the teensy I have will fix it when I flash back it's original dump.
 
nCadeRegal said:
I've posted pics in the webman page of it running. Doesn't matter now, it's a brick and I haven't had time to fix it. My son updated from 4.87 evilnat to 4.88 ofw and now when I turn it on it just black screens on me. I can access recovery but all options just black screen to. Sucks this is the best a01 I've ever owned. I'm stumped, I'm hoping the teensy I have will fix it when I flash back it's original dump.
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Have you tried replacing the hdd for a another formatted on a pc hdd then turn on to safe mode and wait for it to show a image?
Obviously with a cech A the buttons will be reversed when you change hdd so x is o etc? I've had this issue before and took me about 5 hdds until it decided to reboot to safe mode eventually and show image
 
Checkity_CheckYoSelf said:
I do think the NEC Tokens are a guilty suspect to creating more heat than needed too, as I have another A model that was de-lidded, but also swapped out 2 of the NEC tokens with tantalum 470's and that console's fan doesn't have to work near as hard to keep my system cool.
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Bulk filter caps smooth out voltage ripple, which improves efficiency. Aging capacitors could case a processor to work harder to do its job, even if its not bad enough to cause a YLOD. So replacing with new TaPol arrays of adequate specification could result in lower thermals.

On all of my A model consoles hold steady around 68C with a fan speed of 28-35% using webMAN mod. That's with MX-4 and MX-5 delidded. The best you can hope for is sub 75C at 30% with near stock curve. But I would tighten that up. webMAN mod is nice, but I prefer editing it with the SYSCON so it's permanent and not in software where it can screw up (which I've had webMAN do before. It overheated without spinning the fan up higher! I never figured out why).

Also the silicon lottery can swing your chips temps +/- 2-5C. A binned chip can run much cooler, which could explain @nCadeRegal's temps. Although they are unbelievably low, as in I literally can't believe it. He's told me before and it's inconceivable to me his 90nm RSX produces less heat than a 40nm RSX...but I'm not inclined to call him a lier. Must have just been incredibly lucky!
 
Yea that console was and is one of a kind. It kills me I haven't been able to get it going again. I have heard nands are finicky, but never had an issue till now. I've tried all options in recovery, they just black screen and it sits there. I swapped another ps3 drive into it and it just does the same. I haven't formatted one on a pc yet. I'll try that today.
I still can't grasp why updating from cfw to ofw caused this? It has to be a bug in that cfw 4.87 of evilnats.
The Temps on that console are insanely low. My last a01 would hit damn near 80 running the same settings with replaced top paste. I have not touched this one at all other than removing the hard drive the other day. It's super low use, that's all I know about it.
 
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