homebro2000
Forum Noob
Ok, I tried all mode to be on and now it seems like game is running.
BUt came across another issue, mic is detected, but when I go into tutorial to speak to my mic, no signal is being detected by game
PS2 [Open PS2 Loader] Game Bug Reports
- Thread starter jolek
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BUt came across another issue, mic is detected, but when I go into tutorial to speak to my mic, no signal is being detected by game
homebro2000
Forum Noob
Ok I got it fully working now! THank you so much for all of your help.
Now I will go enjoy this game!
Now I will go enjoy this game!
homebro2000
Forum Noob
I turned on everything 1 to 8
Grahf
Member
@homebro2000 Please, try these combinations and tell us which one works:
- Mode 1+6
- Mode 6+8;
- Mode 6+3+8;
- Mode 1+6+8;
- Mode 1+3+6+8;
- Mode 2+6+8.
- Mode 1+6
- Mode 6+8;
- Mode 6+3+8;
- Mode 1+6+8;
- Mode 1+3+6+8;
- Mode 2+6+8.
jolek
Senior Member
I think that soon he will have logo of this game remembered for ages,
when he will boot this game for a 100 time.
Grahf
Member
We need to get to the bottom of this. Besides, only 6 more tries to check those combinations. If he's so deep already, it's worth it.I think that soon he will have logo of this game remembered for ages,
when he will boot this game for a 100 time.
homebro2000
Forum Noob
Since you guys helped me so much, I will do it tonight and report back lol
Grahf
Member
What do you mean with "a patch for every game"? Nobody is going to debug Shadow Man 2 and the PS remake. It didn't happen so far for a reason.
We had special modes just for single games in the past and now it's suddenly bad to add alternative speeds to Mode 1 in order to fix two games?
I'm all out for it. I'm not an OPL developer, so I can't add it myself, but those who can: please add three speed options for Mode 1 (850 kB/s, 1200 kB/s and the current speed for DVD games).
Regarding Racer Revenge, who said this game is broken to begin with!? The music cuts in and out like that even from the retail disc. It seems this game is designed this way. Even the PS4 re-edition behaves like that.
We had special modes just for single games in the past and now it's suddenly bad to add alternative speeds to Mode 1 in order to fix two games?
I'm all out for it. I'm not an OPL developer, so I can't add it myself, but those who can: please add three speed options for Mode 1 (850 kB/s, 1200 kB/s and the current speed for DVD games).
Regarding Racer Revenge, who said this game is broken to begin with!? The music cuts in and out like that even from the retail disc. It seems this game is designed this way. Even the PS4 re-edition behaves like that.
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sp193
Developer
Shadow Man 2econd Coming seems to have all I/O done by its sound driver, even for reading game files.
Magic might happen, if you asked for it. But I'll do it, since people have been asking.
I doubt I can fix the PS remake because it is a runtime bug, something which seems to happen during rendering, likely as an indirect effect of reading. I have very little experience with debugging rendering and sound-playback issues.
I might need to understand how the game works, dump VRAM to see where it goes wrong and then create a patch. But that's too much work, when MIPS (and VU) assembly is the only thing that can represent the whole game.
If only 2 games can be fixed by lower the transfer rate by that much, then I would rather write game-specific fixes for them because the setting would be useless for nearly every other game.
Even if we cannot debug and solve the actual underlying problem, then an additional delay/additional configuration of mode 1's speed limit can be added like what Jimmikaelkael did for Kingdom Hearts 2. The user would hence have less settings to change, and it's possible to blacklist because we already know that these games have problems.
It has documentation for reading performance from both inner-most and outer-most tracks, but none of the rated speeds are that low.
Games have to be designed to reduce seeking, as seeking is documented very slow and so is the IOP, so I don't think it is really a problem. But if you can come up with a model for this and it actually helps, it can be done. Software is flexible.
It's because this game's sound driver monitors sceCdReadPos() to check for new progress in reading the audio stream.
So if it is either read too quickly or not updated incrementally, the sound driver fails to continue playback.
Other than limiting speed, accurate reads (mode 1) also:
This compatibility mode was originally intended to replace the user-setting of DMA modes, but it somehow did not help all games and I do not know why, so the DMA setting remained (indefinitely) as a stop-gap measure. The DMA modes affect the transfer rate between the PS2 and the HDD, but it was for device compatibility and not as a measure for software compatibility.
For example, DVD-DL emulation was meant for flattened images. It will cause games on real DVD-DL images to malfunction.
Magic might happen, if you asked for it. But I'll do it, since people have been asking.
I doubt I can fix the PS remake because it is a runtime bug, something which seems to happen during rendering, likely as an indirect effect of reading. I have very little experience with debugging rendering and sound-playback issues.
I might need to understand how the game works, dump VRAM to see where it goes wrong and then create a patch. But that's too much work, when MIPS (and VU) assembly is the only thing that can represent the whole game.
If only 2 games can be fixed by lower the transfer rate by that much, then I would rather write game-specific fixes for them because the setting would be useless for nearly every other game.
Even if we cannot debug and solve the actual underlying problem, then an additional delay/additional configuration of mode 1's speed limit can be added like what Jimmikaelkael did for Kingdom Hearts 2. The user would hence have less settings to change, and it's possible to blacklist because we already know that these games have problems.
It has documentation for reading performance from both inner-most and outer-most tracks, but none of the rated speeds are that low.
Games have to be designed to reduce seeking, as seeking is documented very slow and so is the IOP, so I don't think it is really a problem. But if you can come up with a model for this and it actually helps, it can be done. Software is flexible.
It's because this game's sound driver monitors sceCdReadPos() to check for new progress in reading the audio stream.
So if it is either read too quickly or not updated incrementally, the sound driver fails to continue playback.
Other than limiting speed, accurate reads (mode 1) also:
- Imposes a 5000-us delay between the completion of a command and the interrupt callback. This is for compatibility for some games that were designed to assume that the callback does not occur immediately after the command is issued.
- Limits the transfer block size to 8 sectors. While I have no information on the CD/DVD's host controller capabilities, I think I came up with this number from the Sony CDVDFSV's buffer size.
This compatibility mode was originally intended to replace the user-setting of DMA modes, but it somehow did not help all games and I do not know why, so the DMA setting remained (indefinitely) as a stop-gap measure. The DMA modes affect the transfer rate between the PS2 and the HDD, but it was for device compatibility and not as a measure for software compatibility.
Do not do this. Some modes were meant for specific types of games or specific uses.
For example, DVD-DL emulation was meant for flattened images. It will cause games on real DVD-DL images to malfunction.
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jolek
Senior Member
BTW with what version of an OPL you got this game working?
OPL 0.9.3, OPL 1200 (Compiled by El_Patas or akuhak)?
Just checking if I understand this correctly.
Are you saying that you will try to debug PS gen1 to fix the actual issue with it, even though you believe it to be too much work.
If you are unable to fix the game you plan to make a game-specific lower transfer rate?
If that is correct, is there any way I can help you debug it and would you like me to find the highest speed that it actually works with?
Grahf
Member
Why would you waste your time, especially since you said it yourself that you have very little time to do this, in order to patch two games which already work with these lower speeds? I don't know if you realize this, but I've compared the load times for these games between retail discs and OPL with 850 kB/s and 1200 kB/s - they are about the same, so we don't lose performance in any visible way. These speeds are perfect and it's just semantics whether you're going to call them a patch or a workaround. Besides, I assume they smooth out many other CDs game, preventing random freezes and/or glitches, but that needs extensive gameplay tests for a ton of games I don't even own. The good thing about this, though, is that there's no risk involved in introducing two lower speeds.
It's worth adding just for one game, in all honesty. There's next to no development work involved since it's just a value change for Mode 1. The users already have relatively complex features built-in, like GSM. Why would adding three speed values to Mode 1 be a problem when the settings menu is already cluttered with other stuff and nobody seems to mind that?
Theoretical reading speeds for continuous files.
Multiple PS2 developers said that seeks times are a killer on that system. Optimization is not only possible, but simply needed. There were many attempts to reduce the load time as much as possible, but it was always a problem because you are dealing with a laser assembly which cannot seek as fast as an HDD.
The DMA are needed for both. Nobody can account for all possible HDD models out there and some games simply benefit from certain DMA modes. It would be absurd to removes such a great and flexible feature.
Also, Racer Revenge needs to be removed from the list of broken games. The BGM cutting in and out so abruptly is an integral part of that game. I happens identically from a retail disc and even in the PS4 re-release.
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The 24x CAV mode has got the maximum data transfer rate at the outer edge (3,6 MB/s). At the centre of the disc it would be something about 1,5 MB/s. If we assume, that the developers mistakenly put the data close to the inner edge, 850 kB/s is still nearly double slower than a minimum read speed. I don't think it is a close replication of the CDVD behaviour.
Grahf
Member
1200 kB/s (this speed is great for Shadow Man 2 via HDD - only SMB requires a lower speed) and 850 kB/s are close enough from HDD and SMB. That's because the seek times on a CD are a bitch and you're not even considering the error correction inherent to optical drives. You're giving values for maximum theoretical continuous speeds. Console video games with optical drives don't work like that, unless they just stream a FMV file.
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jolek
Senior Member
I've a problem with latest OPL r1214.
I mean I cannot save settings on HDD when there is no MC*.
Without any MC"s, USB, settings will not be loaded from HDD.
I'm booting OPL from HDD.
* - When MC is inserted all setting will be saved on MC not on HDD.
Currently only everything is fine when MC is inserted.
Previously (e.g. OPL 1196) when I booted OPL from HDD without any MC, I can either save or load setting from it (HDD).
Maybe currently new script for recognizing from where OPL was booted is not working fine?
Unfortunately previous version didn't recognize from where OPL was booted,
so MC always has a higher priorytety with saving or loading settings
I mean I cannot save settings on HDD when there is no MC*.
Without any MC"s, USB, settings will not be loaded from HDD.
I'm booting OPL from HDD.
* - When MC is inserted all setting will be saved on MC not on HDD.
Currently only everything is fine when MC is inserted.
Previously (e.g. OPL 1196) when I booted OPL from HDD without any MC, I can either save or load setting from it (HDD).
Maybe currently new script for recognizing from where OPL was booted is not working fine?
Unfortunately previous version didn't recognize from where OPL was booted,
so MC always has a higher priorytety with saving or loading settings
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Grahf
Member
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