PS3 slim fan speed

dmr said:
Will try later with some game and I will wrote all changes in speed and on what temps, so you can put in chart :)

EDIT: Tell me is there any major difference between 2103b and 2504b?
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Between 2100 and 2500 its the same! Chipset wise is the same 40nm and 45nm, the JSD-001 (2500) its also the first board to come with an integrated BD Controler, the SUR-001 still needs a BD Dautherboard, eliminating the need for a NoBD CFW in case the BD fails.

Noise wise, power consumptions are all the same, and some JTP-001 and JSD-001 came with an updated MELTDR01 which eliminated the 3.55 factory firmware, but that's units after 2010 with datacode 1A and upwards.

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Hello everyone! I just re-assembled a CechA01 cfw rebug with webman running and I am having major fan issues...I've exploited two exact systems and the fan boots into over drive in start up and rsx/cpu get really HOT! FAST! I thought maybe it was blown thermistors or the power supply is faulty. Mobo is fine and the power seems to be constant. I've cleaned out my system and applied a proper amount of thermal paste. Still no change. Does it have to do with cfw/rebug toolbox and webman not properly in sync with one another??? I am scared to even attempt to play a game in this state! Help!
 
BackwoodsDee9 said:
Hello everyone! I just re-assembled a CechA01 cfw rebug with webman running and I am having major fan issues...I've exploited two exact systems and the fan boots into over drive in start up and rsx/cpu get really HOT! FAST! I thought maybe it was blown thermistors or the power supply is faulty. Mobo is fine and the power seems to be constant. I've cleaned out my system and applied a proper amount of thermal paste. Still no change. Does it have to do with cfw/rebug toolbox and webman not properly in sync with one another??? I am scared to even attempt to play a game in this state! Help!
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Webman runs the fan stronger than a standard system, this is normal, and it's not due to extra heat. You can edit the temps in webman settings so it's quieter, or you can change it back to syscon control, then it will be nice and quiet and super hot. Your choice. :)

Louder does not mean hotter, actually it means the opposite. What temps are you getting? It's possible your consoles had over heating problems and it's only showing up now because you have proper fancontrol and you can now see temperature. Most old phats will have over heating issues due to paste under IHS. I do not mean paste under heat sink.

There is no "sync" between Rebug toolbox and webman, they are both separate apps with no links or dependancies.
 
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Naked_Snake1995 said:
Between 2100 and 2500 its the same! Chipset wise is the same 40nm and 45nm, the JSD-001 (2500) its also the first board to come with an integrated BD Controler, the SUR-001 still needs a BD Dautherboard, eliminating the need for a NoBD CFW in case the BD fails.

Noise wise, power consumptions are all the same, and some JTP-001 and JSD-001 came with an updated MELTDR01 which eliminated the 3.55 factory firmware, but that's units after 2010 with datacode 1A and upwards.

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Thanks for the info.
 
Figured I'd put my 2 cents in here.

I've made some holes above fan and in the bottom of the casing. Using MX4 on top of heatspreaders and Arctic silver 5 underneath (haven't removed the CPU IHS).
IMG_20190406_154451.jpg IMG_20190406_154502.jpg

Now this actually only gives about 2-3°C difference in temps. I have my fan control set to Max 70°C and on idle it sits in about 69°C CPU and 50°C RSX at 33% fan speed.

Temps are a wild goose chase, as some consoles just doesn't improve despite what you do (well perhaps liquid or gas cooling might help).

I know for a fact that if I were to remove the IHS from the CPU I could gain 5-7°C, but the risk involved isn't worth it, unless you are 110% sure and have the proper skills/experience.
 
Don't remove IHS. That is 2004a model? I get better temps without holes, in idle 64/62 fan at 27%.
 
DeViL303 said:
Webman runs the fan stronger than a standard system, this is normal, and it's not due to extra heat. You can edit the temps in webman settings so it's quieter, or you can change it back to syscon control, then it will be nice and quiet and super hot. Your choice. :)

Louder does not mean hotter, actually it means the opposite. What temps are you getting? It's possible your consoles had over heating problems and it's only showing up now because you have proper fancontrol and you can now see temperature. Most old phats will have over heating issues due to paste under IHS. I do not mean paste under heat sink.

There is no "sync" between Rebug toolbox and webman, they are both separate apps with no links or dependancies.
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My system settings are on Syscon in webman 1.47.10. The system at this point after running for 15 mins is...cpu@72c and gpu@51c. Will I have any problems leaving Syscon on with cfw? Or should I just put up with a bit of noise and switch back to Enable Dynamic Fan Control with standard settings? I love my older cecha01 models and I don't want to !@#$% them up. Thanks!
 
Today I tested CPU/GPU temps and fan speed with syscon on 2103b model and here are results :)

PS3 starts at 20% fan speed
59/56 22%
59/59 23%
61/60 24%
62/62 25%
62/63 26%
64/64 27%
65/65 28%
74/74 29%

didn't go higher because it is colder in my room today. Interesting that 29% speed is at 74/74 and it was at 73/73 the other night!?

Also today I will try to drill holes in spare case above fan to see how is gonna affect temps and fan speed :)
 
I notice that fan on this 2103b model has 23 blades and 2504b has 17 blades. Is this normal for this models or someone changed fan in 2103b? :)
 
All i can tell you is the fans and heatsinks of... CECH-20xx, CECH-21xx, and CECH-25xx
Are compatibles in between them
And by knowing the PS3 model you cant deduce which fan/heatsink is inside, there is no info in wiki about which one was shipped with every PS3 model... i wanted to do it but i found "some opposition" and accepted a deal, lol

All this fans are compatibles with CECH-20xx, CECH-21xx, and CECH-25xx
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Nidec_G10C12MS1AH-56J14
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Nidec_G10C12MS2AH-56J14
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Delta_KFB1012HE
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/NMB-MAT_BG1004-B045-P00

The fan you are talking about with 23 blades is the NMB-MAT
But take a minute to look at them... the fact that have 23 blades doesnt means that is better

Compare this photos:
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/File:Delta_KFB1012HE_(bottom_view).jpg
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/File:NMB-MAT_BG1004-B045-P00_(bottom_view).JPG

Note the NMB-MAT have like a horizontal surface at the center that is "obstructing" the airflow
The purpose of that design is to make the airflow (that enters vertically) to make a "turn" (and is pushed centrifugally)
Personally i think it was a bad idea, not sure though, but look at the others, doesnt have that surface and all them are supposed to make that "turn" of the airflow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_fan
 
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Yes I noticed that and also noticed that mass of the heatsink is different. Heatsink on 2504b is heavier than on 2103. Maybe because of 23 blades speed of fan on 2103b doesn't change to 29% till 74/74C and on 2504b 29% speed is on 70/69C. Also fan with 23 blades is much louder.
 
dmr said:
Heatsink on 2504b is heavier than on 2103
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By talking about them that way we dont know which one is it :)
As mentioned, it could exists CECH-20xx and CECH-25xx models with the same fan... is just we dont know
Also, you can find 2 PS3s of the same model CECH-25xx with a different fan (im sure about this)

In my oppinion the best seems to be the ones manufactured by https://www.nidec.com/en-Global/product/fan/category/
They made industrial fans, ive seen some for PC and standard stuff, and uses to be expensive

The good thing of them is it seems the motor (at the center of the fan) is small and powerfull
The smallest is better because there is more room arund it for the air

Delta is the second best, the motor is a bit bigger than the nidecs (so less room for the air than a nidec), i guess this one is more weighty

And third are the MNB-MAT with that weird design, and yeah, this should be the more louder because that horizontal surface that is "breaking" the airflow


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All this is my personal oppinion, but i dont have or did read any performance comparisons
 
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When I said heatsink is heavier I meant on the passive part of the cooler :) Aluminium fins, heatpipes, bases and rest :) I detached both heatsinks from 2103b and 2504b, without fans, and one on 2504 is heavier more robust, have more material :)
 
Sorry i misunderstood you, i thought you was still talking about the fans

Ohhh well, with the heatsinks we have the same problem to identify them, there are 5 heatsinks known (and maybe more) compatibles with PS3 CECH-20xx, CECH-21xx, and CECH-25xx models
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Type_5

Is hard to identify them without removing the plastic top cover, but if you keep an eye of the details is posible. Compare with the photos of that page



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And the heatsinks doesnt have any label or mark about the manufacturer or model, so we cant talk about them by his name :D
Only thing we can do is to say "mine is like the one of this photo" ---> and link to the photo
 
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dmr said:
I notice that fan on this 2103b model has 23 blades and 2504b has 17 blades. Is this normal for this models or someone changed fan in 2103b? :)
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Fans specs aren't everything! This reminds me of this silly myth from the PHAT Era, that the 19 Blade Fan was better than the 15 Blade Fan, and that the 15 Blade Fan had a design flaw, that retained air thought the console instead of getting it out.

I don't belive in any of that, i had systems running the 15 and 19 Blade fan, and they all preformed the same, although the 15 blade fan had longer blades in length to compensate for the lack of the lost blades from the shorter 19 blade.

Overall noise wise the 15 was much quieter, and had better build quality, not to mention the power draw 1.2A i believe, compared to the more noisy 19 Blade Fan at 2.8A.

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sandungas said:
Sorry i misunderstood you, i thought you was still talking about the fans

Ohhh well, with the heatsinks we have the same problem to identify them, there are 5 heatsinks known (and maybe more) compatibles with PS3 CECH-20xx, CECH-21xx, and CECH-25xx models
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Type_5

Is hard to identify them without removing the plastic top cover, but if you keep an eye of the details is posible. Compare with the photos of that page



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And the heatsinks doesnt have any label or mark about the manufacturer or model, so we cant talk about them by his name :D
Only thing we can do is to say "mine is like the one of this photo" ---> and link to the photo
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Actually you can easily tell what heatsink you have if you look at the CPU part of the heatsink from the back.

21xx model
21xx.JPG

25xx model
25xx.JPG
 
sandungas said:
Compare this photos:
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/File:Delta_KFB1012HE_(bottom_view).jpg
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/File:NMB-MAT_BG1004-B045-P00_(bottom_view).JPG

Note the NMB-MAT have like a horizontal surface at the center that is "obstructing" the airflow
The purpose of that design is to make the airflow (that enters vertically) to make a "turn" (and is pushed centrifugally)
Personally i think it was a bad idea, not sure though, but look at the others, doesnt have that surface and all them are supposed to make that "turn" of the airflow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_fan
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I think that horizontal surface is done so the fan can equally pull air from above and from the bottom holes and properly cool motherboard. That is my concern after I drilled holes above fan, that now the cooling of the motherboard and chips around cpu/gpu is weaker.

heatsink2.jpg
 
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