PS3 (Research/Experimental) - NEC/TOKIN Capacitors Replacement - YLOD

[Coro]

Hey guys,

So the PS3 (COK-001) booted up but the previous owner removed the HDMI socket. No biggie to replace. Problem is, when I plug AV in and hold the power button to reset output, it never does a second beep. If I hold it long enough, system powers off to standby. So is the missing HDMI socket telling the system it cannot reset? Also, Im trying to test using the original 60gb hdd from my original system (haven't tried it in over 7 yrs). Would a bad hdd cause the system not to display?

let go after first beep

 

[Jz456games]

Hi Coro,

That's the thing. The system only allows power on and standby mode. No other beeps. Screen flickers on tube TV via AV but no display. I don't think this is a GLOD type scenario but I can be wrong.

 

[Coro]

Hi Coro,

That's the thing. The system only allows power on and standby mode. No other beeps. Screen flickers on tube TV via AV but no display. I don't think this is a GLOD type scenario but I can be wrong.

when it beeps it also flashes the power button light. i got one that doesnt beep either. just look for the flash. if it doesnt work try again after second flash in case im wrong...

EDIT
i think people have propably thrown or given away a lot of ps3 for this reason if you use hdmi and then try AV later, it looks like the ps3 is broken.

 

[Jz456games]

when it beeps it also flashes the power button light. i got one that doesnt beep either. just look for the flash. if it doesnt work try again after second flash in case im wrong...

When I do it, red goes to solid green while holding. You do hear the system do its checks and seems to stand by normally. I feel I'm so close to getting a system work again but it could be wishful thinking.

 

[Coro]

When I do it, red goes to solid green while holding. You do hear the system do its checks and seems to stand by normally. I feel I'm so close to getting a system work again but it could be wishful thinking.

watch a youtube video of somebody doing it.

 

[Jz456games]

when it beeps it also flashes the power button light. i got one that doesnt beep either. just look for the flash. if it doesnt work try again after second flash in case im wrong...

EDIT
i think people have propably thrown or given away a lot of ps3 for this reason if you use hdmi and then try AV later, it looks like the ps3 is broken.

So you don't think soldering a working HDMI socket from a transplant board would work? Just asking as I don't want to spin my wheels if that's not the true issue.

 

[Jz456games]

So you don't think soldering a working HDMI socket from a transplant board would work? Just asking as I don't want to spin my wheels if that's not the true issue.

Just to clarify, the person that had the board de-soldered the hdmi socket from the board. It's not broken, it's physically removed. So I'm not sure if it works through HDMI. Why I'm hoping to get this working, this has never been reflowed or rebelled, I see zero signs of this so it would be amazing to change out all the thermal paste from the GPU and CPU as well as get copper IHS to provide better thermal conductivity. This way I can prolong the life of the system before ever receiving a YLOD/RLOD. Still would need to figure out a better cooling system but 1 thing at a time.

 

[Coro]

So you don't think soldering a working HDMI socket from a transplant board would work? Just asking as I don't want to spin my wheels if that's not the true issue.

if you can repair the hdmi cheap and easy, i would do that.

if it was connected and working with av anytime after the hdmi died, then the reset trick propably will not help.

 

[Jz456games]

I'm thinking it's the PSU.

Green light does not blink; stays solid.
System won't boot into Safe mode or reset.
USB ports don't charge after booting up.
No HDD light.
No WiFi light.
Disk drive allows insert and eject.
The HDD and the PSU are from day 1 release; my original board stopped working 6 years ago and hasn't seen love since. The board I have swapped out looks promising and hope a new/refurbished PSU unit would fix the issue.

 

[RIP-Felix]

PSU sounds fine based on what you said. To clarify, did you try the AV cable to see if you get an image on screen? It may still work, even though the HDMI is desoldered. However, it's possible that the HDMI port needs to be populated in order for the AV cable to output. In either case, you are going to want to output HDMI eventually, so just fix it and move on with diagnosis.

 

[Jz456games]

PSU sounds fine based on what you said. To clarify, did you try the AV cable to see if you get an image on screen? It may still work, even though the HDMI is desoldered. However, it's possible that the HDMI port needs to be populated in order for the AV cable to output. In either case, you are going to want to output HDMI eventually, so just fix it and move on with diagnosis.

Thanks RIP-Felix. Hypothetically, if the hdmi is the case, would that explain no WiFi or HDD lights? Yes, AV is all I can try today and reset is not an option.

 

[RIP-Felix]

Thanks RIP-Felix. Hypothetically, if the hdmi is the case, would that explain no WiFi or HDD lights? Yes, AV is all I can try today and reset is not an option.

Yes, the console won't blink those leds when it's displaying an error message like, "your ps3 was not turned off properly the last time it was shut down." It will restart, rebuild the database, then once it gets back into the menu it'll access the drive, wifi, etc.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by, "AV is all I can try today." Did you plug in an AV cord or not? Do you get analog video? You should, unless the HDMI must be populated to get any video out at all.

Hello, first of all i want to thank everybody you for the information about ps3 retarded ylod problem fix, i have read almost every page from the start. I want to share my experience i have fixed my ps3 retarded ylod problems in a sligth different way. I didn't remove nec tokins from motherboard, instead i added an "atomic bomb" consistent in four nec tokins i got cutting an other old ps3 motherboard in parallel with the rsx one near the rsx chip adding a total 1200*4= 4800 so doubling the nominal rsx side capacitance. Results were good with ylod fixed, it seems that the extra capacitance doesn't stress too much the tension generator with the extra current at start up. So everything ok, ylod fixed

1. How long ago did you perform the mod?
2. How much time do you estimate you've spent playing it since?

It would really help us get a sense of how often the NEC/TOKINs go bad. No one seems to ever answer these crucial questions.

 

[Jz456games]

Yes, the console won't blink those leds when it's displaying an error message like, "your ps3 was not turned off properly the last time it was shut down." It will restart, rebuild the database, then once it gets back into the menu it'll access the drive, wifi, etc.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by, "AV is all I can try today." Did you plug in an AV cord or not? Do you get analog video? You should, unless the HDMI must be populated to get any video out at all.

1. How long ago did you perform the tantalum mod?
2. How much time do you estimate you've spent playing it since?

It would really help us get a sense of how often the NEC/TOKINs go bad. No one seems to ever answer these crucial questions.

Like A/V Analog component cable since I'll have to transplant an HDMI socket from another COK-001. When holding the reset, no beeps nor flashing so you might be absolutely right that the HDMI socket needs to be in place or it throws an error and stays solid green or standby.

 

[RIP-Felix]

Press PWR & Hold, wait for console to shut down.
Press PWR & Hold, then wait for the beeps (1, 2, or 3)

It won't happen on the first power cycle.

As for the AV cable. If you have a PS2 cable, that will work. In the US we only had composite (red, white, & yellow RCA jacks or a 3.5mm AV barrel jack converter that many newer TVs have - if they have it at all). I'm guessing you're in a PAL country, so it's probably a SCART input. If your TV doesn't have that, you need an upscaler like the OSSC or RetroTink2x SCART.) Or dig up a CRT.

 

[Jz456games]

Press PWR & Hold, wait for console to shut down.
Press PWR & Hold, then wait for the beeps (1, 2, or 3)

It won't happen on the first power cycle.

As for the AV cable. If you have a PS2 cable, that will work. In the US we only had composite (red, white, & yellow RCA jacks or a 3.5mm AV barrel jack converter that many newer TVs have - if they have it at all). I'm guessing you're in a PAL country, so it's probably a SCART input. If your TV doesn't have that, you need an upscaler like the OSSC or RetroTink2x SCART.)

No I'm from the States. It stays solid green without beeping when holding down power to reset the output (like YouTube videos). I've tried the component cable already and there is no display. I'm guessing your suggestion that the system won't reset because the HDMI socket is missing.

 

[ElGris]

Probably it has bgas damage on CELL.

To prove this, turn on the console without HDD. If the the green light is on for, lets say 2 minutes, turn off and then, perform the safe mode. If you aren't able to get those beeps, console isn't booting due problems on CELL, and this is the gansta GLOD imo.

You could try a simple trick that sometimes works. Do an external PSU connection, once you did it, press with your finger over the CELL clamp (under PSU), and see what happens. You should get at least audio or DS3 sync, this thanks to those NANDs.

 

[fark]

Yes, the console won't blink those leds when it's displaying an error message like, "your ps3 was not turned off properly the last time it was shut down." It will restart, rebuild the database, then once it gets back into the menu it'll access the drive, wifi, etc.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by, "AV is all I can try today." Did you plug in an AV cord or not? Do you get analog video? You should, unless the HDMI must be populated to get any video out at all.

1. How long ago did you perform the mod?
2. How much time do you estimate you've spent playing it since?

It would really help us get a sense of how often the NEC/TOKINs go bad. No one seems to ever answer these crucial questions.

Yes, the console won't blink those leds when it's displaying an error message like, "your ps3 was not turned off properly the last time it was shut down." It will restart, rebuild the database, then once it gets back into the menu it'll access the drive, wifi, etc.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by, "AV is all I can try today." Did you plug in an AV cord or not? Do you get analog video? You should, unless the HDMI must be populated to get any video out at all.

1. How long ago did you perform the mod?
2. How much time do you estimate you've spent playing it since?

It would really help us get a sense of how often the NEC/TOKINs go bad. No one seems to ever answer these crucial questions.

Yes, the console won't blink those leds when it's displaying an error message like, "your ps3 was not turned off properly the last time it was shut down." It will restart, rebuild the database, then once it gets back into the menu it'll access the drive, wifi, etc.

1. How long ago did you perform the mod?
2. How much time do you estimate you've spent playing it since?

It would really help us get a sense of how often the NEC/TOKINs go bad. No one seems to ever answer these crucial questions.

Hello the mod was made a week ago one ps3 fat cechl04, i have played last of us and gt6 for hours, wathching you tube etc without problems. The idea is assuming all rsx nec tokin defective adding the same nominal capacitance without replacing them adding a board in parallel and on that board you can allocate tantalum caps or nec tokins with no risk(same idea if needed with cell chip). Very important thing the connections cable must be thick and short enough avoiding adding parassite resistance.

 

[ElGris]

First time we aaaaall see an OG attachment to the actual NECs. Good job. Wonder how far you can go with those extra OG caps.

P/S: You're a monster, poor mobo ^^

 

[Jz456games]

Probably it has bgas damage on CELL.

To prove this, turn on the console without HDD. If the the green light is on for, lets say 2 minutes, turn off and then, perform the safe mode. If you aren't able to get those beeps, console isn't booting due problems on CELL, and this is the gansta GLOD imo.

You could try a simple trick that sometimes works. Do an external PSU connection, once you did it, press with your finger over the CELL clamp (under PSU), and see what happens. You should get at least audio or DS3 sync, this thanks to those NANDs.

Thanks ElGris. So I did the ol' copper penny trick using real 1967 copper pennies. That said, no luck with the Cell. Like you said, typically you'll get sound. If the Cell was completely fried or bga connection issue, I'd think this would go straight to a YLOD error. Seeing as I need to solder an HDMI socket to the board, I'm really thinking the system won't show a display without the HDMI socket soldered in place.

 

[ElGris]

HDMI port isn't the problem imo, it's the same if is soldered or not, a PS3 that doesn't boot has a more important problem than just an output port, also you should get video via A/V otherwise. If the CELL isn't booting, as I think it is, then you most likely have bga issues, I never heard of a "fried" CELL, maybe broken die (instant ylod), 'cause the CELL is pretty strong in terms of temperatures.

A PS3 with bga problems could do something like this, or give you glod.

But since I suspect the CELL isn't running (you can touch it if it is getting warm or not during boot), most probably the problem is there.