CFW PS3 turns off on while playing certain games

[Darklink007]

It's me again, I just wanted to tell you my recent experience related to this thread and to see if you could please help me again, I finally decided to run the CoD Ghost backup once again but this time using Webman and the dynamic fan control option running, my PS3 fan started to run wild at the moment I selected campaing mode and the PS3 shut off (I forgot to mention it all this time, but the console shuts down and the red light starts blinking until I press the power button), I turned on again and it started with a message saying that I turned of the console incorrectly, i waited for the check to be compleated and then the XMB started normally, but I noticed a yellow light blinking for a moment and the fan started to to crazy again (I later searched this up and I found out it was the Webman, but at the moment I panicked and thought I YOLD'd my PS3) I then went to the Webman temperature settings and I disable the dynamic fan control option, the PS3 sounded normal again. I know I did something wrong with the fan control option, can someone please explain me how to use it properly?
PD: No, the game didn't work this time neither, in fact it turned off quicker I assume because of the dynamic fan option

 

[DeViL303]

It's me again, I just wanted to tell you my recent experience related to this thread and to see if you could please help me again, I finally decided to run the CoD Ghost backup once again but this time using Webman and the dynamic fan control option running, my PS3 fan started to run wild at the moment I selected campaing mode and the PS3 shut off (I forgot to mention it all this time, but the console shuts down and the red light starts blinking until I press the power button), I turned on again and it started with a message saying that I turned of the console incorrectly, i waited for the check to be compleated and then the XMB started normally, but I noticed a yellow light blinking for a moment and the fan started to to crazy again (I later searched this up and I found out it was the Webman, but at the moment I panicked and thought I YOLD'd my PS3) I then went to the Webman temperature settings and I disable the dynamic fan control option, the PS3 sounded normal again. I know I did something wrong with the fan control option, can someone please explain me how to use it properly?
PD: No, the game didn't work this time neither, in fact it turned off quicker I assume because of the dynamic fan option

It sounds like you were using the fan control correctly and your PS3 is just overheating due to needing thermal paste or IHS doing. The fan control will not cause your PS3 to turn off quicker, I expect its probably just getting worse. Its also possible your console is about to YLOD due to this overheating.

 

[Naked_Snake1995]

I suggest to delid the RSX, its a tricky process, but done right, has good results

Dont bother with the IHS on the Cell, just focus on the RSX

Btw, the yellow light what you see for a brief moment when you turn on the PS3, its tipical of the Webman Mod Fan Control, to let you know that the System has aknowledged the fan input.

When Webman its set to Dynamic Fan, it will kick at a high gear, gradually, when set to a certain temperature

You can set the percentage to you desire, but on the 2000 Series i would advice to set it to 45/50%, like the Fat models, due to the 65nm RSX

Later 2100 and 2500 series, spots a 40nm RSX, reducing the headache of deliding the RSX, with only thermal paste replacement

Its just a design flaw from Sony, in my opinion, IHS only makes things worst, thats why on the 4000 series they finally got rid of the IHS on the RSX

 

[Darklink007]

It sounds like you were using the fan control correctly and your PS3 is just overheating due to needing thermal paste or IHS doing. The fan control will not cause your PS3 to turn off quicker, I expect its probably just getting worse. Its also possible your console is about to YLOD due to this overheating.

Man, I really hope that's not the case, I really can't afford another PS3

 

[Darklink007]

I suggest to delid the RSX, its a tricky process, but done right, has good results

Dont bother with the IHS on the Cell, just focus on the RSX

Btw, the yellow light what you see for a brief moment when you turn on the PS3, its tipical of the Webman Mod Fan Control, to let you know that the System has aknowledged the fan input.

When Webman its set to Dynamic Fan, it will kick at a high gear, gradually, when set to a certain temperature

You can set the percentage to you desire, but on the 2000 Series i would advice to set it to 45/50%, like the Fat models, due to the 65nm RSX

Later 2100 and 2500 series, spots a 40nm RSX, reducing the headache of deliding the RSX, with only thermal paste replacement

Its just a design flaw from Sony, in my opinion, IHS only makes things worst, thats why on the 4000 series they finally got rid of the IHS on the RSX

I'm really a noob at this kind of thing so I have to ask, what is deliding?

 

[DeViL303]

Try set your fans to 95% manually with webman mod, then play a game and check temps. if having fans running that fast helps then you know its overheating, if not, maybe it is HDD or some other issue, could still be overheating though so check temps ..

Doing the thermal paste is not that big a job, just need a couple of tools and some decent paste, if you need to do the inner heat sink (IHS) then it is a bigger job and probably not worth it unless you are going to do it all yourself and its a bit tricky, considering the price of PS3s and how easy they are to hack on latest OFW it might be easier to replace it if it dies fully.

I used those vids my first time taking apart a slim.

 

[DeViL303]

I checked my PS3 for overheating but it feels normal,

btw, just because the air feels cold it does not mean the chip is, it could just be that the paste is not doing its job so lots of the heat is staying in the chip. so you need to check the temps after its been on playing a game for while.

 

[Darklink007]

Try set your fans to 95% manually with webman mod, then play a game and check temps. if having fans running that fast helps then you know its overheating, if not, maybe it is HDD or some other issue, could still be overheating though so check temps ..

Doing the thermal paste is not that big a job, just need a couple of tools and some decent paste, if you need to do the inner heat sink (IHS) then it is a bigger job and probably not worth it unless you are going to do it all yourself and its a bit tricky, considering the price of PS3s and how easy they are to hack on latest OFW it might be easier to replace it if it dies fully.

I used those vids my first time taking apart a slim.

Putting the fans at that speed isn't dangerous? I tried the CoD backup again with 95% manual speed and, yet again, it didn't worked, the PS3 stills turn off, I can normally play other games like NFS rivals, Jojo's bizarre adventure all stars battle and Scott pilgrim vs the world, the problems seems to be in this game and Far cry 3 Blood dragon, i haven't tried any other games so I don't know if it's just this two games having this problem or if the problem can extend to other games, I can later check the temps with the fans at that speed with the games that do work so I can see if I really have to worry about an overheating problem.

Replacing my PS3 is really not an option, in my country our minimum salary is worth 3,5$, If I do have overheating problem then I will have to wait several months to finally get the tools to dissamble my PS3, and the thermal paste

 

[DeViL303]

No fan at 95% is ok for testing, long term it might wear out your fan, but a lot cheaper to replace fan than whole ps3. Yeah check temps and see.

 

[Naked_Snake1995]

I'm really a noob at this kind of thing so I have to ask, what is deliding?

Deliding, its simple, its to remove the sheild or IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) of the CPU or GPU, which envolves a special tool for harder Deliding CPUs to prevent damage.

I wouldnt suggest to delid the Cell, as the hard epoxy underneath only makes things worst, ive learned the hard way with my 40Gb in 2011, when i scratched the PCB on the Cell after deliding with a kitchen knife and some cardboard underneath (good old times), although i managed to delid the RSX successfully without damage.

The RSX its the easiest to delid, although i would be extra, i mean extra carefull on heating the chip a bit to soft the epoxy underneath it, so you can remove the RSX IHS without tearing the memory chips apart, make at your own risk.

Nowdays i dont bother deliding my PS3 anymore,even since ive got my Slim 2504

Like DeVIL303 mentioned, check if the exhaust air its warm.

To the thermal paste application i suggest to do the card method, spread the paste even on the RSX as well on the Cell, since the pee method as used on the PCs dont usually work on a chip with a bigger die than a Desktop PC per say, it needs a bigger dissipation area, so covering the whole chip with a thin even layer of paste should get the job done.

Finally, use good quality thermal paste, and i mean good one, dont suggest to buy all the cheap crap you can get.

Get a good quality one, like Arctic Silver 5 or similar, there are some off brand thermal paste, that are reliable as an AS5, but that you have to spot

 

[pinky]

iirc, there are 11+ fan speeds depending on how hot the system gets. there's a graph on psdevwiki. the temp thresholds I mentioned were are so that the system cools without it being ungodly noisy. I don't know what the warning level is. with the 360, it's between 190-200F for all models, I suspect the same is true here or maybe even a little hotter. I think I read somewhere that the system will actually display a message with that exclamation point if that's happening though.

 

[Darklink007]

Deliding, its simple, its to remove the sheild or IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) of the CPU or GPU, which envolves a special tool for harder Deliding CPUs to prevent damage.

I wouldnt suggest to delid the Cell, as the hard epoxy underneath only makes things worst, ive learned the hard way with my 40Gb in 2011, when i scratched the PCB on the Cell after deliding with a kitchen knife and some cardboard underneath (good old times), although i managed to delid the RSX successfully without damage.

The RSX its the easiest to delid, although i would be extra, i mean extra carefull on heating the chip a bit to soft the epoxy underneath it, so you can remove the RSX IHS without tearing the memory chips apart, make at your own risk.

Nowdays i dont bother deliding my PS3 anymore,even since ive got my Slim 2504

Like DeVIL303 mentioned, check if the exhaust air its warm.

To the thermal paste application i suggest to do the card method, spread the paste even on the RSX as well on the Cell, since the pee method as used on the PCs dont usually work on a chip with a bigger die than a Desktop PC per say, it needs a bigger dissipation area, so covering the whole chip with a thin even layer of paste should get the job done.

Finally, use good quality thermal paste, and i mean good one, dont suggest to buy all the cheap crap you can get.

Get a good quality one, like Arctic Silver 5 or similar, there are some off brand thermal paste, that are reliable as an AS5, but that you have to spot

I'll check the temps when playing NFS rivals at a normal speed (35%) and an a 95% speed later when i get the chance and i'll post the results, how much time i should play in order to make a good test?

About the deliding, I have never dissamble my PS3 before and i want to thank @DeViL303 for the tutorial videos, i'm sure they will be useful in the future, though like i said before if it's really an overheating problem and i have to do it (which would make sense, i own my PS3 since 2010) i'll have to wait some months to finally get the money to buy all the tools i need to do the dissamble and deliding process, while the moment arrives, Should I avoid using the PS3 or it's fine to play the games that do work? (I assume the temps will decide that)

 

[DeViL303]

I'll check the temps when playing NFS rivals at a normal speed (35%) and an a 95% speed later when i get the chance and i'll post the results, how much time i should play in order to make a good test?

About the deliding, I have never dissamble my PS3 before and i want to thank @DeViL303 for the tutorial videos, i'm sure they will be useful in the future, though like i said before if it's really an overheating problem and i have to do it (which would make sense, i own my PS3 since 2010) i'll have to wait some months to finally get the money to buy all the tools i need to do the dissamble and deliding process, while the moment arrives, Should I avoid using the PS3 or it's fine to play the games that do work? (I assume the temps will decide that)

Yeah its all down to the temps, You should play for like 30 minutes or more, if you are running webman mod, you can keep an eye on your temps in real time by using this URL on another device on your LAN http://ps3.ip.address.here/cpursx.ps3 , you don't want temps to ever reach 80c, really around 60C is great (under load), 70c is ok (under load)

For tools, you just need a few decent screwdrivers, some thermal paste and something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Screwdriver-Controller-Prying-Cleaning-Brush/dp/B079HVXG4G/

 

[Darklink007]

Yeah its all down to the temps, You should play for like 30 minutes or more, if you are running webman mod, you can keep an eye on your temps in real time by using this URL on another device on your LAN http://ps3.ip.address.here/cpursx.ps3 , you don't want temps to ever reach 80c, really around 60C is great (under load), 70c is ok (under load)

For tools, you just need a few decent screwdrivers, some thermal paste and something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Screwdriver-Controller-Prying-Cleaning-Brush/dp/B079HVXG4G/

Well... i tried loading NFS Rivals at 95% manual fan speed, the PS3 shut down when the gameplay started
The temps at the moment i turn on the console were 33°C CPU and 33°C for the RSX and at the moment of gameplay they were 41°C CPU and 39°C RSX, i immediately started the next test with a 50% manual fan speed like @Naked_Snake1995 had avised me, i could play the game normally for the 30 min until i turned off the console to let it rest, i got 45°C CPU and 45°C rsx at the moment of gameplay and 75°C CPU and around 69°C RSX when i turned off

 

[DeViL303]

hmm, so its getting a bit hot there at 75c but..

You seem to be saying it shut off at around 40c, that makes me think it could be the power supply and its not actually overheating, in that case the fan drawing extra power seems to have caused it to shut off sooner. Don't use any external devices that will drain power from the USBs if you can help it, its possible you need a PSU.

 

[kozarovv]

hmm, so its getting a bit hot there at 75c but..

You seem to be saying it shut off at around 40c, that makes me think it could be the power supply and its not actually overheating, in that case the fan drawing extra power seems to have caused it to shut off sooner. Don't use any external devices that will drain power from the USBs if you can help it, its possible you need a PSU.

Similar issue can occur if BGA are not connecting to chip or mobo. Is rare, but when console is getting hot, then BGA is is changing it capacity little bit making connection more stable.

Anyway, will be easier to check power supply first.

 

[Darklink007]

hmm, so its getting a bit hot there at 75c but..

You seem to be saying it shut off at around 40c, that makes me think it could be the power supply and its not actually overheating, in that case the fan drawing extra power seems to have caused it to shut off sooner. Don't use any external devices that will drain power from the USBs if you can help it, its possible you need a PSU.

I use a power strip to connect my PS3, my Wii U and his charger, i must say that i have disconnected all the other things except for the PS3, could the power strip be causing problems?

 

[DeViL303]

I use a power strip to connect my PS3, my Wii U and his charger, i must say that i have disconnected all the other things except for the PS3, could the power strip be causing problems?

Unlikely,unless it had a bad connection inside it , sure try with out it for a while if you can.

 

[Darklink007]

Unlikely,unless it had a bad connection inside it , sure try with out it for a while if you can.

Nothing seems to change, about the external devices, the only things connected to the USB port are the controller charger and the external hard drive i use to store the games, i have already tried passing the CoD to the internal HDD but nothing changes, do i need the PSU then?

 

[DeViL303]

Nothing seems to change, about the external devices, the only things connected to the USB port are the controller charger and the external hard drive i use to store the games, i have already tried passing the CoD to the internal HDD but nothing changes, do i need the PSU then?

There is no way to know for sure, like kozarovv said there is a chance that it is starting to YLOD, and when chips heats up past 40c it is actually expanding and making better contact for a while, and then as it expands more it is breaking contact.

If it shuts down even at 40c it means either PSU is bad or it is about to YLOD imo, if its the PSU then doing the thermal paste will not help, if its already starting to YLOD with broken solder then doing thermal paste will not help, your only option is to try find another PSU to test in it, maybe you could get a broken ps3 cheap.

If testing another PSU does not work then its probably not worth fixing tbh, you could try a home reflow job with a heat gun as a last resort but its not really recommended, it has as much chance of breaking it worse as fixing it.