PS5 Unreal Engine 5 running on Playstation 5 is revealed

[RandQalan]

On the actual footage...

I mean, wow. It does look gorgeous. And to be working on actual hardware at a demo level is a nice touch.
I am unfortunately living in the stone age (1080p60hz is the best I have) so anyone able to grace their eyes with any higher resolution I am jealous of right now lol.

I have not log in a very long time but both should get a few day ban for no respect for mod warning and disrespect for who the F cares buy or don't buy sony fan or PC fan who gives a F.
Now as an x mod I wouldn't allow this!!

 

[Agoni212]

I have not log in a very long time but both should get a few day ban for no respect for mod warning and disrespect for who the F cares buy or don't buy sony fan or PC fan who gives a F.
Now as an x mod I wouldn't allow this!!

I have respected the mod warning, i didnt harass anyone in here. It's a Playstation forum everything connected to PS5 or PS4 can be shared here i dont see it as a problem, i respect your opinion.

 

[RandQalan]

I have respected the mod warning, i didnt harass anyone in here. It's a Playstation forum everything connected to PS5 or PS4 can be shared here i don't see it as a problem, i respect your opinion.

Ok every other day a promo for PS5 from you other days down others for example to why PS5 MAY be better to PC or x
You always get mad come back with false or exploratory accusations to why you have a superior this is why I do not will never respect a person who thinks a corp is best always outside box

 

[Agoni212]

Ok every other day a promo for PS5 from you other days down others for example to why PS5 MAY be inferior to PC or x
You always get mad come back with false or exploratory accusations to why you have a superior this is why I do not will never respect a person who thinks a corp is best always outside box

My thread purpose is to harass no one, its just a fun video showing how unreal engine 5 works in PS5, i havent said anything about Series X because i havent seen any tech demo or gameplay of it.

 

[RandQalan]

My thread purpose is to harass no one, its just a fun video showing how unreal engine 5 works in PS5, i havent said anything about Series X because i havent seen any tech demo or gameplay of it.

U are correct in this but x your post always says PS5 is the shit not.
example always tech advances every day but lets say u are correct.
another x PS should have been ultimate at PS1
So simple answer tomorrow obsolete because someone maybe like me finds something that works better.
So like MEB lets agree to disagree.
I think S is good but they are not the end to the end of teck

 

[pinky]

can't we all just get along!?

 

[kozarovv]

I don't get why people get exited over that SSD. "5GB/s at least" ok, do you really gonna see any difference with for example 3GB/s ? Today we are sitting 10-30 seconds waiting for loading, and it is fine. Excluding first loading, games not change almost full ram cause there is no need for that. Sure high capacity changes gonna be more frequent in new gen, textures getting heavy. But that not gonna be something that will make much difference if your SSD will be able to generate 3GB/s bandwidth, or 5GB/s bandwidth. So lets assume that game need to replace 6GB of data in ram, really 2 seconds vs. 1,2 seconds is worth that discussion?

According to posted picture PS4 load 2GB of data in 10 seconds, so you think that 0,27s vs. even 0,54s gonna do some noticeable difference? "Few days ago" you were sitting, and wait for GTA 5 to load 30 seconds, or more.
I just don't buy what they saying about importance of this custom SSD. Specially that XSX also have NVM gen 4 disk.

 

[Roxanne]

I am answering you here because you closed my thread, Geoff Has confirmed it is a gameplay and its not fanboyism everything i say i say with facts, i respect your opinion but atleast dont close my thread without any reason, this isnt the first time you doing this.

I understand this as a threat against a moderator (and me), so I will close this Thread now as well!

PS: To everyone here, when I joined this Forum here, I learned how much good "quality" each Post contained before, both in the Post itselfs as in the language used by each one but it seems I miss that in every new PS5 Thread.

What I want to say, if you guys really want to speculate on a console, which got barely presented (in a Conference for Developers, not for us Gamers) half a year before it's getting even released with unrealistic facts "that a 500;- USD Console will perform better than a 5.000,- USD High-End-Gaming PC", then we can close the whole PS5 Section because of so many bullshit and fanboyism.

I hope I made myself clear!

 

[Agoni212]

I understand this as a threat against a moderator (and me), so I will close this Thread now as well!

PS: To everyone here, when I joined this Forum here, I learned how much good "quality" each Post contained before, both in the Post itselfs as in the language used by each one but it seems I miss that in every new PS5 Thread.

What I want to say, if you guys really want to speculate on a console, which got barely presented (in a Conference for Developers, not for us Gamers) half a year before it's getting even released with unrealistic facts "that a 500;- USD Console will perform better than a 5.000,- USD High-End-Gaming PC", then we can close the whole PS5 Section because of so many bullshit and fanboyism.

I hope I made myself clear!

You just said again "Fanboyism", i dont threat anyone because of a thread, everyone who dislikes me or my threads should not watch me or my threads of course i am a fan of Playstation like 90% in here because its a playstation forum, but im not the one doing dramatic scenes here. BTW: I'm not typing here anymore i will type only for the people that are focused on the thread title and video and not for the people that are here to make dramatic scenes.

 

[CrashV]

Right... I may me out of whack as when all this went down... But I thought I just sorted this all out in another thread.

Seriously.... How many rules have been broken here?

3.) Be Respectful to your fellow members & Staff.

• This is a public environment for mature minded people, no childish behavior is tolerated. be respectful to everyone around you. Staff have final words and no arguing will be tolerated

4.) No Duplicate Questions / Derailing threads (I'm adding this because this is technically thread derailing)

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  • Often times we see a user post the same question posted in a number of threads in a very short period. This only delays your questions from being answered. Post one new thread and that is all you need.

7.) No childish behavior (Don't be an annoyance or child-like)

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  • Post will be removed and/or your posting abilities will be revoked.

If I hadn't spent most of my moderator time banning pirate chatter today, I would've considered banning all 3 of you as well.
But hey, I can't be all bad guy and no good.

@Cypher_CG89
@Agoni212
@CrashV

THIS STOPS RIGHT NOW.

The thing is, we never attacked him or showed any toxic behavior against him, we merely corrected his points, yet he showed what the forum rules call: "Childish Behavior" and somehow he got a ticket out of it, especially when considering the fact that he is a "Senior" member.
Try reading the replies again but this time cover the nicknames, you'll have a living proof that love is always blind. Have a good day

 

[CrashV]

PS5 Specs > CPU is Zen2.....

The last I am saying on the matter... its in black and white for all to read.

And BTW here's that Cerny's conference that I've referred to

Timestamp: 17:47

 

[STLcardsWS]

No more arguing over dumb stuff.. There is only one person who is right here and that is me and i say EVERYONE cut the shit

I unlocked the thread not to hear more BULLSHIT about this and that. But simply to give people a chance to present their own logic and partake in the conversation There been some good post here and some nonsense..

I will say MEMBERS its not a place to argue with MODS (dont start that).. if you have an issue with a MOD use my inbox or report the post... Not use these threads to argue about what they have said.. What they say is final unless i say otherwise.. They say something listen..

 

[sandungas]

The PS5 APU is a custom design, AMD is not restricted to use technologies that belongs to an specific generation as an example the next AMP APUs for desktop PCs that are going to be presented in a matter on 1 months or so uses graphic cores that are a mixture of VEGA (actual gen), and NAVI (next gen)
At his basis are VEGA... but they updated some circuitry of them with NAVI technology... the result is a hybrid in between VEGA and NAVI
The same stuff applyes to PCIe v4 or any other technology, when they was playing around with prototypes they had freedom to experiment

The PS5 APU seems to have one of the graphic cores dedicated to the "tempest audio engine". This seems to be one of the reasons why the PS5 APU have less graphic cores than the XSX. Sony decided to dedicate some areas of the APU to do some magic trasks instead of pure horse power
And btw, this is something that has not been commented much, but they said the 3D audio is reactive to the geometry. Is not the same shooting a fire weapon in the jungle than inside a chatedral made of marble. The only way i see to do this is by "sending" some geometry data to the audio core. You know, the audio core needs to know where are located the walls because the sound is going to "bounce" in them, also the materials of that objects etc...
I dont know how it works exactly but is going to be something cool, and is related with the geometry, so is indirectly related with that new geometry engine using "mesh shaders" and "micropolygons"

And there is another "engine" named kraken, used to compress the data of the SSD, im not sure is this is made with another core inside the APU, with a chip dedicated for it in the motherboard, or who knows... but dont expect this kind of technology to exist in PC because the kraken probably is a sony patent and this is not going to be mainstrean used in PC world because in a PC you dont want to have 100% of the hdd compressed

If things like tempest and kraken becomes mainstream for PC world is something that will take a bunch of years, is doubtfull if it will happen but incase it happens is going to confirm what some people said about "the PS5 is going to inspirate how are built the PCs of the future"

You can beat the PS5 SSD speeds right now by conecting several NVMe devices in "RAID", there is a RAID mode where you are technically multiplying the speed everytime you duplicate the number of NVMe devices connected in the RAID
But when talking about consoles we are talking about a single NVMe device... so the competition is about who have the fastest speed with a single NVMe device

 

[Agoni212]

The PS5 APU is a custom design, AMD is not restricted to use technologies that belongs to an specific generation as an example the next AMP APUs for desktop PCs that are going to be presented in a matter on 1 months or so uses graphic cores that are a mixture of VEGA (actual gen), and NAVI (next gen)
At his basis are VEGA... but they updated some circuitry of them with NAVI technology... the result is a hybrid in between VEGA and NAVI
The same stuff applyes to PCIe v4 or any other technology, when they was playing around with prototypes they had freedom to experiment

The PS5 APU seems to have one of the graphic cores dedicated to the "tempest audio engine". This seems to be one of the reasons why the PS5 APU have less graphic cores than the XSX. Sony decided to dedicate some areas of the APU to do some magic trasks instead of pure horse power
And btw, this is something that has not been commented much, but they said the 3D audio is reactive to the geometry. Is not the same shooting a fire weapon in the jungle than inside a chatedral made of marble. The only way i see to do this is by "sending" some geometry data to the audio core. You know, the audio core needs to know where are located the walls because the sound is going to "bounce" in them, also the materials of that objects etc...
I dont know how it works exactly but is going to be something cool, and is related with the geometry, so is indirectly related with that new geometry engine using "mesh shaders" and "micropolygons"

And there is another "engine" named kraken, used to compress the data of the SSD, im not sure is this is made with another core inside the APU, with a chip dedicated for it in the motherboard, or who knows... but dont expect this kind of technology to exist in PC because the kraken probably is a sony patent and this is not going to be mainstrean used in PC world because in a PC you dont want to have 100% of the hdd compressed

If things like tempest and kraken becomes mainstream for PC world is something that will take a bunch of years, is doubtfull if it will happen but incase it happens is going to confirm what some people said about "the PS5 is going to inspirate how are built the PCs of the future"

You can beat the PS5 SSD speeds right now by conecting several NVMe devices in "RAID", there is a RAID mode where you are technically multiplying the speed everytime you duplicate the number of NVWe devices connected in the RAID
But when talking about consoles we are talking about a single NVMe device... so the competition is about who have the fastest speed with a single NVMe device

Yes, that's right, there is still a lot to see and i think sony has many secrets to reveal, i think we are going to see a reveal in June.

 

[sandungas]

Just to clarify the talks about the PS5 SSD's...
The PS5 have 2 NVMe ports, one is for system storage, and the other is for external storage (optional)
The PS5 APU provides an (unknown) number of PCIe v4 "lanes". And a single "lane" (from the PCIe standards common for PC too) is rated at 1969MB/s max
We know the external NVMe port have 4 lanes (x4 PCIe v4) this makes a total of 7876MB/s

For the internal storage we dont have a confirmation if is x4 PCIe v4... but we can guess it is because it matches
Cerny said the bandwidth they are having actually is 5500MB/s (raw) and 9000MB/s (compressed by kraken)
But thats because right now doesnt exists NVMe devices (using a 4x PCIe v4 port) faster than 5500MB/s

See what is going to happen ?... when the NVMe manufacturers releases ssd's faster than 5500MB/s the PS3 is going to be able to use them and the numbers are going to change to something like...
What they have right now ---> 5500MB/s (raw) and 9000MB/s (compressed by kraken)
In a couple of years ---> 7000MB/s (raw) and 12000MB/s (compressed by kraken)
In another couple of years ---> 7876MB/s (raw) and 14000MB/s (compressed by kraken)

 

[sandungas]

And btw, the trick to beat the PS5 SSD speeds is named RAID0
Think in it like monkeys moving coconuts from point A to point B, with 1 monkey you have 1x speed, 2 monkeys gives you 2x speed, 3 monekys 3x speed, and so on (this is a rought calculation though, im rounding numbers)
As example, you can create a RAID0 where 1 monkey is x4 PCIe v4 (4 lanes of PCIe version 4), this makes a total of 7876MB/s

2 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 2
3 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 3 (this is like 1 bluray per second)
4 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 4
And so on...

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/g...as-three-working-pcie-gen4-m-2-ssd-slots.html

 

[Agoni212]

And btw, the trick to beat the PS5 SSD speeds is named RAID0
Think in it like monkeys moving coconuts from point A to point B, with 1 monkey you have 1x speed, 2 monkeys gives you 2x speed, 3 monekys 3x speed, and so on (this is a rought calculation though, im rounding numbers)
As example, you can create a RAID0 where 1 monkey is x4 PCIe v4 (4 lanes of PCIe version 4), this makes a total of 7876MB/s

2 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 2
3 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 3 (this is like 1 bluray per second)
4 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 4
And so on...

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/g...as-three-working-pcie-gen4-m-2-ssd-slots.html

Yes, a single aorus ssd 1TB is

And btw, the trick to beat the PS5 SSD speeds is named RAID0
Think in it like monkeys moving coconuts from point A to point B, with 1 monkey you have 1x speed, 2 monkeys gives you 2x speed, 3 monekys 3x speed, and so on (this is a rought calculation though, im rounding numbers)
As example, you can create a RAID0 where 1 monkey is x4 PCIe v4 (4 lanes of PCIe version 4), this makes a total of 7876MB/s

2 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 2
3 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 3 (this is like 1 bluray per second)
4 monkeys = 7876MB/s * 4
And so on...

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/g...as-three-working-pcie-gen4-m-2-ssd-slots.html

Aorus runs only at 8 channels, meanwhile PS5 ssd runs at 12 channels which may go up to 22GB/S. As a single ssd PS5 crushes every SSD on the market today.

 

[sandungas]

In the motherboard in my previous post you have 4 "lanes" in every NVMe device, and there are 3, so this makes a toal of 12 lanes
1969MB/s * 12 = 23628MB/s
In the expansion card posted by cypher i guess there was 16 lanes (because is intended to be connected to the slot of a graphic card, and that slots uses to be x16), so...
1969MB/s * 16 = 31504MB/s
We are playing this game using processors that are very common, but if we want to push this to the next level we could use an AMD EPYC processor that have a massive amount of "lanes".. and because we are multimillionaire and we have a company to manufacture custom motherboards we are going to design one where most/all the "lanes" are dedicated to create an "army" of MNVe devices... to connect all them in RAID0 and beat the "world storage speed" record... yeah this should work

Is the same principle in all this examples, and is not going to happen at this levels (unless some hardware manufacturer builds a monster like that).. but maybe is going to happen at small scale
The motherboard i mentioned in the link is a good example, that thing can break world speed records, i dont see anyone in the comments mentioning it but the only requirement is the BIOS needs to be able to create a RAID0 with the 3 NVMe devices... and it needs to be able to boot from NVMe, thats all... my bet is that motherboard is going to support it

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But now lets return to the ground of mortals... everyone of that NVMe devices is going to be like 200$, if you are going to buy 3 thats 600$ + another 200$ for the motherboard + another 200$ for the RAM + another lets say... 200$ for the CPU... etc... (yeah im rounding every big component in 200$ it works fine for me), and keep counting because are needed more components to build a PC
And the speeds of that setup is not going to beat the PS5 by far, the calculations i made would be a more realistic if we use a max speed of 5000MB/s because thats the speed record of the products that are "on sale"
https://www.gamingpcbuilder.com/best-m-2-nvme-ssd/

The winner at read speeds is the "sabrent rocket"... but note it have 5000MB/s (and cerny said they are achiving 5500MB/s in the PS5)
If you create a RAID0 with 3 "sabrent rocket" you are going to have a theoretical 5000MB/s * 3 = 15000MB/s
In the practise the speed is a bit slower... rought numbers i calculate something like 13000MB/s

Yeah thats a lot more than the PS5 but the PS5 (using the same technology, equivalent to the sabre rocket) is doing 9000MB/s with a single NVMe (because the infamous kraken)

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@Agoni212 i think the 12 channels are located in between the flash chips and the controller chip (both inside the NVMe device), the controller chip access the flash chips "in paralell", so is like the example i mentioned about the monkeys but inside the device
Look at this schematic, the channels are the horizontal arrows at right
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/210492-extremetech-explains-how-do-ssds-work

Internally have 12 channels, but the connection to the motherboard is made by "4 lanes of PCIe version 4", and this is capped at a theoretical max of 7876MB/s (raw) and 14000MB/s (with the kraken)
The awesome thing is the kraken have around the same performance than 2 NVMe devices in RAID0 (using the fastests NVMe devices that exists in 2020)

 

[sandungas]

Just found a nice article about PS5 architecture
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7134...ep-dive-into-next-gen-storage-tech/index.html

-The 12 channels are inside the NVMe device, 6 of them are general purpose, and the other 6 are specific for gaming
-The kraken is a core inside the APU
-The internal SSD of 825GB have direct access to RAM
-The APU have coprocessors to deal with SSD and RAM

 

[sandungas]