PS2 PS2 doing a lot of noise and TV screen flickering after replacing cables

[atreyu187]

And how do they compare to other component cables?

As good an official cables at a third of the cost. Works way better then those HDMI cables/adapters.

 

[jolek]

Here is a list of PS2 games with a native options to enable progressive scan:
https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_alternative_display_modes.
In some games progressive scan can be enable by holding triangle + X at boot,
some have this option in menu...

Unfortunately there're not much PAL games with this support compare to NTSC.

 

[TnA]

If the game does't support progressive mode can I still use it if I do that?

Yes, you can force quite some games to a progressive-mode via GSM, if they don't support it natively!

I don't have it nor I don't know how to make it work. I don't know if I have a compatible mode. Can I use the HDD on the PS2 Slim (like mine)?

FMCB works on ~90% of all PS2's... Which Model (SCPH) have you?
HDDs work on Slims but either only on 70k or via HDPro.

Well, like I said, I no longer have the composite cables.

That's unfortunate, because I am sure that you would see the difference!

Maybe it's better but not by a long shot.

It IS better 'by a long shot' and I am sure more than 90% would agree on that with me!

LG Flatron M2262D-PC

The LG Flatron's are actually quite good!
I suppose it does such a good work with the FBAS/CVBS-Signal, that the (visual) difference is relatively small compared to 95% of the other devices!

Via HDMI.

You see?!? As long as it is not the same connection and VMode, that comparison doesn't mean anything...
Tey to connect your PS3 via the same component-cable and set it to output the same VMode... I BET, it will also have those black borders...

What's VMode?

Output-Video-mode (1080i/p, 720p, NTSC, PAL, etc.)...

No.

This explains, why the results differ... Try to connect your PS3 via the same component-cable and set it to the same VMode and you will probably get the same result.

 

[Windows10User]

Yes, you can force quite some games to a progressive-mode via GSM, if they don't support it natively!

And without GSM since I don't have it? Can I mod the PS2 with just a 8 MB Memory Card and a Memory Card Adaptor (the one that works for the PS3)?

FMCB works on ~90% of all PS2's... Which Model (SCPH) have you?
HDDs work on Slims but either only on 70k or via HDPro.

SCPH-75004. And without having to attach/modify anything in order for it to work? Can you give me an Amazon/eBay/other seller link to a supported HDD (and for my model, if it is model specific) and a video showing how to attach an internal and an external HDDs and to make them work? Also, can I use and external HDD and if so, what is the maximum capacity one supports (maybe it is determined by a program for modded PS2 installed on it), can I play NTSC games when my PS2 is PAL, which internal/externall HDD should I buy (I want a lot of games) and does it need to be MBR or GPT and FAT32 or NTFS (and can I have more than one partition and if so, does it have to have a size limit and the games may be divided?)? If I fill it up will I have to delete games or if I don't want to do that I'll have to replace it with another one? Will the PS2 Game Saves go to the Memory Cards or to the HDD? Which HDDs (internal and external) work on my PS2 and since I want a lot of games should I use both an internal and an external HDDs or only one of them? Do they lag (during cutscenes and not only) and are there PS2 games with problems when played via a modded PS2 and an internal/external HDD?

The LG Flatron's are actually quite good!
I suppose it does such a good work with the FBAS/CVBS-Signal, that the (visual) difference is relatively small compared to 95% of the other devices!

Well, but it is 9/10 years old and since 4 years ago it has a strange problem (the TV screen reflects itself and the color becomes purple/green) that happens for some days once a year.

This explains, why the results differ... Try to connect your PS3 via the same component-cable and set it to the same VMode and you will probably get the same result.

And with other component cables, like those from HD Retrovision (both on the PS2 and the PS3)?

 

[TnA]

And without GSM since I don't have it?

Then you can only use progressive scan on those games who support it.

Can I mod the PS2 with just a 8 MB Memory Card

Yes, via FMCB...

and a Memory Card Adaptor (the one that works for the PS3)?

Yes, there is 'PS3MCA' which has the option to install FMCB from PC to the MC.

SCPH-75004.

Yes, that is a compatible model.

And without having to attach/modify anything in order for it to work?

Well you have to install something onto the MemoryCard and attach that to the PS2, if you want to run GSM to force progressive on more games.

Can you give me an Amazon/eBay/other seller link to a supported HDD (and for my model, if it is model specific) and a video showing how to attach an internal and an external HDDs and to make them work?

A lot of HDDs work and it is not model-dependent.
Your PS2-Version only supports an HDD via very extensive and expensive mods (HDPro).

Also, can I use and external HDD

Yes, but it is USB1.1 so the videos of some games are stuttering.

and if so, what is the maximum capacity one supports (maybe it is determined by a program for modded PS2 installed on it),

2TB, but not all apps support that size.
1TB should be supported by every app.

can I play NTSC games when my PS2 is PAL,

Yes!

which internal/externall HDD should I buy (I want a lot of games)

1TB should be enough, IMO.

and does it need to be MBR or GPT and FAT32 or NTFS

MBR FAT32 (not a logical partition)

(and can I have more than one partition

You can, but for what? Most apps will also only recognize the first one...

and if so, does it have to have a size limit and the games may be divided?)?

Yes, games bigger than 4GB will be splitted (via tools like USB Util).

If I fill it up will I have to delete games or if I don't want to do that I'll have to replace it with another one?

?
Well... If the HDD is full and you want to play a game which is not on the HDD, you will have to delete one game obviously...

Will the PS2 Game Saves go to the Memory Cards or to the HDD?

That is your choice. You can have it either way per game.

Which HDDs (internal and external) work on my PS2

Pretty much any USB-HDD should work and internal only works via heavy hardmodding.

and since I want a lot of games should I use both an internal and an external HDDs or only one of them?

Since your Slim has LAN built in, I suggest you to play via LAN/SMB.

Do they lag (during cutscenes and not only)

Yes, that is quite common via USB and some games.

and are there PS2 games with problems when played via a modded PS2 and an internal/external HDD?

Yes, there are some but for the most part they work well...

Well, but it is 9/10 years old and since 4 years ago it has a strange problem (the TV screen reflects itself and the color becomes purple/green) that happens for some days once a year.

Weird... Sounds like a magnetisation-issue... Do you have a subwoofer next to the screen, or so?

And with other component cables, like those from HD Retrovision (both on the PS2 and the PS3)?

They won't remove the black 'bars'/borders around the 'fov'-frame... After all, they are just cables...
The problem is, how your TV handles analog signals.

You might want to take a look at the service-menu, but do not play around in there, until you know what you are doing.

 

[Windows10User]

Well you have to install something onto the MemoryCard and attach that to the PS2, if you want to run GSM to force progressive on more games.

I was talking about soldering or something like that. I wouldn't have to do that, right?

A lot of HDDs work and it is not model-dependent.
Your PS2-Version only supports an HDD via very extensive and expensive mods (HDPro).

Sorry, what do you mean by that?

Yes, but it is USB1.1 so the videos of some games are stuttering.

And what if I burn the games to a CD/DVD? And if I so, should I use a CD-R or a DVD-R and which brand, burning software and burning speed should I select?

Since your Slim has LAN built in, I suggest you to play via LAN/SMB.

But the ideal for me was to play via the PS2's HDD or a CD-R/DVD-R since I don't want to waste the PC's HDD space.

Weird... Sounds like a magnetisation-issue... Do you have a subwoofer next to the screen, or so?

No. I thought it had this problem because of its (TV) age...

They won't remove the black 'bars'/borders around the 'fov'-frame... After all, they are just cables...
The problem is, how your TV handles analog signals.

If it doesn't have the screen blackouts it's fine by me. I noticed the PS3 also has black borders (on HDMI) on mmCM/multiMAN.

 

[TnA]

I was talking about modding the PS2, not a Memory Card.

BOTH are considered 'modding'!
Installing a Modchip is referred to as 'hardmodding' and chips are 'hardmods'...
Installing FMCB onto an MC is referred to as 'softmodding' and FMCB is a 'Softmod'.

So, no soldering, right?

Correct... Just a Plug'n'Play-MemoryCard... Plug it in, the PS2 is softmodded...
Unplug it and the console is in it's original state!

Please watch a YT-Video about FMCB, or so... You can even get it/FMCB pre-installed on cards (I suggest original Sony, or licensed MemoryCards or alternatively of the 'MaxMemory'-type) for 10$/€ or even less.

On another note: Like I wrote before, Modchips will likely interfere with GSM, so a Softmod is the preferable way to use it/GSM.

Sorry, what do you mean by that?

Your PS2-Version does NOT support an internal HDD, without a SIGNIFICANT amount of modding (and it's pricey... You can get a FAT PS2 + HDD-adapter + HDD for the same price or even cheaper, than that mod would cost).

tl;dr No internal HDD for your PS2, except if you spend quite something for a hardmod... (HDPro is over 100$ AFAIK!)

If you want to learn more about that mod, Google 'HDPro'!

And what if I burn the games?

Yes, that works as well.
FMCB has a companion-app called ESR, which supports loading games or Homebrew from a DVD+/-R!

The PS2's laser is quite finicky however, so yes you need proper media (DVD+/-R, not RW or RAM), proper writing/burning-program, a good disc-writer, the correct write-speed and so on... It's rather a hastle, IMO...

And if I so, should I use a CD-R or a DVD-R

DVD+/-R, because ESR only supports DVD-based burned discs.

and which brand,

Verbatim (Mitsubishi Chemical Corp/MCC-Disc-ID) or Tayo Yuden.

THX to @jolek I recently got to know that the CMC magnetics aquired/bought those.

TBH old CMC-Discs (also those labeled Verbatim) were inferior...

burning software

Use a 'burning software' which supports 'Laser Power Calibration' (or similar name).
CloneCD and IMGBurn support that!

IMGBurn is free and makes a very good job, so it is advised to be used.

and burning speed should I select?

'AWS' (Automatic Write Speed)

But the ideal for me was to play via the PS2's HDD or a CD-R/DVD-R since I don't want to waste the PC's HDD space.

• Internal HDD on your model won't work, except if you spend more than 100$/€ + you need to get it installed + it MIGHT interfere with GSM just like a Modchip does... Infact it is a modchip which is used, to re-implement a custom HDD-Interface!
• external USB-HDD is slow... Long loading-times, sometimes stuttering FMV or even in-game-problems, when a game streams faster than the USB1.1-Port can deliver... + games and virtual MemoryCards on USB also must be defragmented and splitted, if they are too big!
• DVDs put a strain on the laser and written/burned discs even more so...

I MIGHT have the perfect solution for you!
I am actually using a 'TP-Link TL-WR902AC' Nano-Router on a Slim! I will attach a photo later.

I am using it as a WiFi-Bridge for a PS2-Slim and as a way to get a USB-HDD/Stick connected to the LAN-Port of the PS2-Slim and you can access the USB-HDD via LAN/SMB then!

It allows using a USB-HDD with other file systems like NTFS, EXT3/EXT4, etc. as well!
No need to defragment the files!
No need to split big games!
Waaaaay better loading-times and speed!
You can even compress images, AFAIR (and thus save quite some space and install more games).

No. I thought it has this problem because it is some years old...

Very well could be the case.

If it doesn't have the screen blackouts it's fine by me. I noticed the PS3 also has black borders (on HDMI) on mmCM/multiMAN.

Yes, when the problem is not the connection on your TV, it certainly should work well.

Btw.: Try keeping every other cable away from your current component-cable! If it works better then, that cable has no or a bad shielding![/quote]

 

[Windows10User]

BOTH are considered 'modding'!
Installing a Modchip is referred to as 'hardmodding' and chips are 'hardmods'...
Installing FMCB onto an MC is referred to as 'softmodding' and FMCB is a 'Softmod'.

I know, but I was thinking on going the softmod way...

Correct... Just a Plug'n'Play-MemoryCard... Plug it in, the PS2 is softmodded...
Unplug it and the console is in it's original state!

I was talking about an HDD.

I MIGHT have the perfect solution for you!
I am actually using a 'TP-Link TL-WR902AC' Nano-Router on a Slim! I will attach a photo later.

I am using it as a WiFi-Bridge for a PS2-Slim and as a way to get a USB-HDD/Stick connected to the LAN-Port of the PS2-Slim and you can access the USB-HDD via LAN/SMB then!

It allows using a USB-HDD with other file systems like NTFS, EXT3/EXT4, etc. as well!
No need to defragment the files!
No need to split big games!
Waaaaay better loading-times and speed!
You can even compress images, AFAIR (and thus save quite some space and install more games).

Well, maybe it's better to have the games on the PC and play them on the PS2. Do (or can) I have to do that in order to play them from the PC?

 

[TnA]

I know, but I was thinking on going the softmod way...

Yes, I think the Softmod-way is the best choice for everything you want to accomplish + it is cheap and easy to use.

I was talking about an HDD.

For an internal HDD-mod, you would need to solder, regardless of which PS2-Slim!

On your model that mod costs over 100$/€...

Well, maybe it's better to have the games on the PC and play them on the PS2. Do (or can) I have to do that in order to play them from the PC?

Well, you can store the ISOs on a PC, or a NAS or even a USB-Device connected to LAN.

Like I said... For portability-reasons, a Nano-Router is very cool!

Here is a picture of my Nano-Router, specifically used on a PS2 (with a few exceptions).

 

[Windows10User]

Yes, I think the Softmod-way is the best choice for everything you want to accomplish + it is cheap and easy to use.

Do you think I should order an already modded Memory Card or do it myself? I don't know how to do it but maybe it isn't too difficult. Can I do it with a PS3 Memory Card Adaptor (I've yet to buy it and according to what I've read I may get a rip-off [just like in the PS2's Memory Card's case] and in that case it wouldn't work) like I've read somewhere?

Well, you can store the ISOs on a PC, or a NAS or even a USB-Device connected to LAN.

Like I said... For portability-reasons, a Nano-Router is very cool!

Here is a picture of my Nano-Router, specifically used on a PS2 (with a few exceptions).
View attachment 19317

Yes, but it looks like if I use a DVD/USB it would have lag and not if I run the game from a PC/NAS (and in that Nano-Router's case, I think). Can I use that Nano-Router to play games from the PC or even attach an external HDD (where the games would be) on it (since it doesn't have an HDD) and play them?

 

[TnA]

Do you think I should order an already modded Memory Card or do it myself?

That's your choice. A MemoryCard with it pre-installed does not cost much, but it is worth it doing it on your own, for the experience... a la 'yaaai, I got it done.'

I don't know how to do it but maybe it isn't too difficult. Can I do it with a PS3 Memory Card Adaptor (I've yet to buy it and according to what I've read I may get a rip-off [just like in the PS2's Memory Card's case] and in that case it wouldn't work) like I've read somewhere?

You don't have the adapter? Well, then don't bother (except if you really want to go that route) and rather get a pre-installed MC, or find someone near you with an already modded PS2 or a way to start Homebrew and then you can also install it via a PS2 and a USB-Storagedevice.

Yes, but it looks like if I use a DVD/USB it would have lag

Not on a properly burned DVD...
A lot of games and even FMV also works relatively well via USB on a lot of games, with the newer OPL-Versions.

and not if I run the game from a PC/NAS (and in that Nano-Router's case, I think).

Theoretically it can also stutter there, but I cannot even name a game right now, which stutters via LAN.

Can I use that Nano-Router to play games from the PC or even attach an external HDD (where the games would be) on it (since it doesn't have an HDD) and play them?

Yes both is possible and even simultaneously... But when you want to connect to the PC or HDD (connected to the router), you need to change the setting for the SMB-Server in OPL... OPL only supports listing different shares on one host, but not multiple hosts at once, so you would need to change the IP back and forth to use either of both...

 

[Windows10User]

That's your choice. A MemoryCard with it pre-installed does not cost much, but it is worth it doing it on your own, for the experience... a la 'yaaai, I got it done.'

I was planning on doing it myself.

You don't have the adapter? Well, then don't bother and rather get a pre-installed MC, or find someone near you with an already modded PS2 or a way to start Homebrew and then you can also install it via a PS2 and a USB-Storagedevice.

But you said I should do it myself and I can buy the Adapter (and there are other methods).

Not on a properly burned DVD...
A lot of games and even FMV also works relatively well on a lot of games, with the newer OPL-Versions.

Not even on cutscenes (when I talk about lagging I'm also including stuttering)? Then maybe I should use DVDs and not the PC/NAS/Nano-Router.

Yes both is possible and even simultaneously... But when you want to connect to the PC or HDD (connected to the router), you need to change the setting for the SMB-Server in OPL... OPL only supports listing different shares on one host, but not multiple hosts at once, so you would need to change the IP back and forth to use either of both...

Maybe I should buy a 1 TB HDD and attach it to the Nano-Router.

 

[TnA]

I was planning on doing it myself.

That's cool, because you will understand how it all works and can update things quite easily.

But you said I should do it myself and I can buy the Adapter (and there are other methods).

I edited that part, whilst you replied.
Yes, you can install it with an original Sony-MC-USB-Adapter, or with a Homebrew-booting-method.

Not even on cutscenes (when I talk about lagging I'm also including stuttering)? Then maybe I should use DVDs and not the PC/NAS/Nano-Router.

You can, if your DVD-Writer produces good results...

However... Once the laser is dead, you would need to repair it.

Maybe I should buy a 1 TB HDD and attach it to the Nano-Router.

That works very well and is quite comfortable and compatible + easy to use, once it is properly set up.

 

[Windows10User]

I edited that part, whilst you replied.
Yes, you can install it with an original Sony-MC-USB-Adapter, or with a Homebrew-booting-method.

I was talking about this adapter (I've read somewhere I could use it) and I searched for the one you said and I found a MHC (not MC) adapter.

You can, if your DVD-Writer produces good results...

However... Once the laser is dead, you would need to repair it.

Does playing burned PS2 games (and even bought ones) contribute to its (PS2's laser) death? I think my PS2's laser might not be ok because the console not always reads the disks (there are times I have to click on the PS2's Reset button for the PS2 to read them) although it doesn't show a disk error message.

 

[TnA]

Imagine in a few years, that I could connect a 10TB-MicroSD there and it could probably hold the entire PS2-game-library! Lol
But 1TB is enough for my library of originals and I've got a looot of them... (PS2-Games and PC-Games being the overwhelming majority)
Most are in big transportation-cartons, but I really hope to have a game-room or something alike once upon in time.

 

[TnA]

I was talking about this adapter (I've read somewhere I could use it)

Yes, that works as well... I wrote so in this thread before and I know exactly what you mean, at the time you mentioned it first...

and I searched for the one you said and I found a MHC (not MC) adapter.

What have I said and what have you found?

Does playing burned PS2 games (and even bought ones) contribute to its (PS2's laser) death?

Yes, both but especially burned disc and how worse the media/DVD, so more it gets stressed.

I think my PS2's laser might not be ok because the console not always read the disk (there are times I have to click on the PS2's Reset button for it the PS2 to read it) although it doesn't show a disk error message.

Well... Backup-loading via images instead of discs is the way to go, IMO.

 

[Windows10User]

Yes, that works as well... I wrote so in this thread before and I know exactly what you mean, at the time you mentioned it first...

Then I have to make sure I don't order a PS3 Memory Card Adapter rip-off (as well as a PS2 Memory Card rip-off) or it won't work. Can I use the PS3 Memory Card Adapter in an unmodded PS2 to transfer downloaded PS2 game saves to a PS2 Memory Card (I have to make sure there are PAL or it won't work since I don't know how to change their region) and load them afterwards?

Yes, both but especially burned disc and how worse the media/DVD, so more it gets stressed.

Well, my legit PS2 games are scratched... And regarding the PS3? Does playing bought (or burned, if possible) games (and even games running from an external HDD) wear out the laser?

Well... Backup-loading via images instead of discs is the way to go, IMO.

Will my PS2's laser read the games that way, then? Then I think I'll have to use that Nano-Router you mentioned.

 

[TnA]

Then I have to make sure I don't order a PS3 Memory Card Adapter rip-off (as well as a PS2 Memory Card rip-off) or it won't work.

Correct... or you use another method to install it, like a cheat-device or Swap Magic or a friend with a modded PS2.

Can I use the PS3 Memory Card Adapter in an unmodded PS2 to transfer downloaded PS2 game saves to a PS2 Memory Card (I have to make sure there are PAL or it won't work since I don't know how to change their region) and load them afterwards?

You can download saves, connect the adapter to a PC via USB and copy them to a MC via PS3MCA...

However... Once you have FMCB installed, wLE usually comes with it and with that you can simply copy saves back an forth via USB or LAN...

Well, my legit PS2 games are scratched...

Yes, these will stress the laser.

And regarding the PS3? Does playing bought (or burned, if possible) games (and even games running from an external HDD) wear out the laser?

I am not sure about the PS3...

I say it this way:
This issue is present on all optical media-readers, but it depends on the quality of the drive how fast it will degrade.

Will my PS2's laser read the games that way, then? Then I think I'll have to use that Nano-Router you mentioned.

That Nano-Router is really versatile, but you have to make sure to get one, that has a normal USB-Connection (not just the Mini). 'TL-WR902AC' is the model I use.

But you don't need to get that Nano-Router, if you already have some kind of router with a USB-Connection!

 

[Windows10User]

Correct... or you use another method to install it, like a cheat-device or Swap Magic or a friend with a modded PS2.


You can download saves, connect the adapter to a PC via USB and copy them to a MC via PS3MCA...

However... Once you have FMCB installed, wLE usually comes with it and with that you can simply copy saves back an forth via USB or LAN...


Yes, these will stress the laser.


I am not sure about the PS3...

I say it this way:
This issue is present on all optical media-readers, but it depends on the quality of the drive how fast it will degrade.


That Nano-Router is really versatile, but you have to make sure to get one, that has a normal USB-Connection (not just the Mini). 'TL-WR902AC' is the model I use.

But you don't need to get that Nano-Router, if you already have some kind of router with a USB-Connection!

If I use a Nano-Router (with an external HDD attached to it or not) will the games stutter/lag (in and outside the cutscenes)? Also, I'm a litte worried since I want to buy a 1.5 TB internal HDD (and also a 2 TB external HDD [since I want to have a lot of games maybe a 2 TB external HDD and a 1 TB internal HDD aren't enough]) for the PS3 but according to many user reviews on Amazon there are a lot of HDDs which start to stutter when playing games (especially in the cutscenes) after some time (days, months, a year or so) and there are other which says those same disks are fine. Which disk (or disks, including the external HDD [maybe any external HDD might be used regardless of the brand, etc., I don't know]) do you recommend me to buy for the PS3 (I don't know how to open it to apply clean the dust, apply the thermal place and swap the disks but I'll have no choice but to do it)?

 

[TnA]

If I use a Nano-Router (with an external HDD attached to it or not) will the games stutter/lag (in and outside the cutscenes)?

I had never experienced any stutter with an HDD directly connected (to the Nano-Router)!

I did experience some minor stuttering on FF XII and KH2, if I streamed the games through WiFi, but that was due to the EasyBox 804 I was using.
This does not affect a directly connected HDD! I solely mention it for an extreme use-case (WiFi-game-streaming) and the device I streamed from, also wasn't dedicated or an HDD connected elsewhere, but a PC...


tl;dr
Yes, that should work hastle-free for you as well!

You can add a 16TB-HDD if you want to! USB and internal HDD are both limited to 2TB max. on a PS2! SMB/LAN is almost unlimited!

If you wanted, you could VPN or VLAN to a server on the Internet, where you could have the entire PS2-Collection and Homebrew and Per-User-VMC, lol!

You can even use the LAN-Port for the PS2 and still connect other devices to it via WiFi, so they can still have access to the HDD!
So your USB-HDD becomes a NAS at that point...

On another note: Maybe you already have a normal Router with USB-Ports! These usually can be used for that as well!

Also, I'm a litte worried since I want to buy a 1.5 TB internal HDD (and also a 2 TB external HDD [since I want to have a lot of games maybe a 2 TB external HDD and a 1 TB internal HDD aren't enough]) for the PS3 but according to many user reviews on Amazon there are a lot of HDDs which start to stutter when playing games (especially in the cutscenes) after some time (days, months, a year or so) and there are other which says those same disks are fine. Which disk (or disks, including the external HDD [maybe any external HDD might be used regardless of the brand, etc., I don't know]) do you recommend me to buy for the PS3 (I don't know how to open it to apply clean the dust, apply the thermal place and swap the disks but I'll have no choice but to do it)?

I've got no clue, sorry. All my drives work well, lol.