PS4 4.05 Exploit for PS4, Released by SpecterDev..

It appears there is a new release but it can be considered as an "old release" coming to the PS4 Soon, UPDATE: the exploit has been released . A couple months ago we seen Team FailOverflow release the breadcrumbs to exploit v4.05 firmware with the details reveled on there blog ": The First PS4 Kernel Exploit: Adieu" Since that time developer SpecterDev has been on a mission to put the pieces together for a workable jailbreak (not an easy task by any means) on the PS4 (4.05 firmware)., Over the course of the past several months SpecterDev has spent many hours of work to get this exploit stable state usable state for anyone interested. He has done amazing work for the PS4 development community is a vital step forward for the PS4. Now 1.76 is not the only window for the PS4 but also 4.05 provides a new window that is now easier to obtain, but will this be enough to launch the PS4 Homebrew Scene to a new level?

In my personal opinion i think we have another step or two before the PS4 Scene breaksout Personally I am not as excited about this exploit as some are from an end-user perspective, i do not think this will be a "golden firmware" just as i did not believe 1.76 ever was, both exploits have came to late in the PS3 life-cycle. Just as Team Fail0verflow themselves suggested in closing when they first detailed this 4.05 window and i quote "And so we say goodbye to a nice exploit." . As we can be extremely thankful for the contributions from Team fail0verflow we can also gather through comments and actions that they will not be the ones to release an exploit themselves or be the ones to give the fuel to something current, i could be wrong here but this is what I have gathered. So this exploit originating from them i would say does show there is a bit of steam knock off the exploit potential impact for launching a community, I think this is a great step forward but i do not think a 2nd PS4 is needed quite yet, i think there will be more to come as times passes, but that is your choice and i can only offer a different perspective then what others have been given, i would just point to my track record on being correct in many of these situation ;p . This is exciting on many levels but not sure its worth buying a 2nd PS4..?..?..​

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Latest Details

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  PS4 4.05 Kernel Exploit​
  Summary
  In this project you will find a full implementation of the "namedobj" kernel exploit for the PlayStation 4 on 4.05. It will allow you to run arbitrary code as kernel, to allow jailbreaking and kernel-level modifications to the system. . This exploit does include a loader that listens for payloads on port 9020 and will execute them upon receival.
  
  You can find fail0verflow's original write-up on the bug here, you can find my technical write-up which dives more into implementation specifics here (this is still in progress and will be published within the next few days).
  
  Patches Included
  The following patches are made by default in the kernel ROP chain:
  
  1. Disable kernel write protection
  2. Allow RWX (read-write-execute) memory mapping
  3. Dynamic Resolving (sys_dynlib_dlsym) allowed from any process
  4. Custom system call #11 (kexec()) to execute arbitrary code in kernel mode
  5. Allow unprivileged users to call setuid(0) successfully. Works as a status check, doubles as a privilege escalation.
  
  Notes
  
  • This exploit is actually incredibly stable at around 95% in my tests. WebKit very rarely crashes and the same is true with kernel.
  • I've built in a patch so the kernel exploit will only run once on the system. You can still make additional patches via payloads.
  • A custom syscall is added (#11) to execute any RWX memory in kernel mode, this can be used to execute payloads that want to do fun things like jailbreaking and patching the kernel.
  • An SDK is not provided in this release, however a barebones one to get started with may be released at a later date.
  • I've released a sample payload here that will make the necessary patches to access the debug menu of the system via settings, jailbreaks, and escapes the sandbox.
  
  Contributors
  I was not alone in this exploit's development, and would like to thank those who helped me along the way below.
  
  • qwertyoruiopz
  • Flatz
  • CTurt
  • Anonymous
  
  

Great news for the PS4,this is a great step forward for development but i caution people getting too excited about this and running out to buy a new PS4.
Personally I will get excited when we see a CURRENT FIRMWARE exploited, That will be the start to the Explosion of PS4 Homebrew IMO.

Update: via @Red: Much like ps3xploit I have hosted this files for others to use, in case anyone would like to mess around with this but doesnt feel like hosting the files themselves. http://redthetrainer.com/ps4/


Source(s): github.com/Cryptogenic
twitter.com/SpecterDev / Reddit.com​

 

whats the difference officail vs recovery FW?

They are both official, and to be honest I wasn't aware of the difference until I replaced the internal HDD and the recovery menu repeatedly told me it couldn't find a valid firmware in the provided USB media when I, like an idiot, tried all the USB flash drives scattered on my desk before realizing it was requesting a different firmware...

 

To be honest I do not think this needed the negative thread title, fair enough add your opinions but the first hack for PS4 in years = "not a big deal" , I don't know.

The way I saw it , it has always been the same, if you want hacks stay on low firmware, if you want online and hacks then get 2 consoles. Now all of a sudden it seems that is gone out the window and anything less than a hack for latest FW is "not a big deal"..what changed?

I actually think this is a good way to do it, if there was a hack released for latest firmware it just leads to every kid getting the ability to cheat, where as if its an older FW that's hacked then only the people who are willing to wait for it get it, and that does not include most of the cheaters. As an example look what this latest Ps3 hack has done to online gaming.

 

I remember people going out and buying the last of us ps4 consoles since they came stock with 1.76 firmware. actually, I think there were two versions - one came with 1.76; the other did not. you could tell which was which by the box.

I honestly doubt this will be the last hackable firmware. remember: there's a day one exploit that I don't believe has been fixed.

 

To be honest I do not think this needed the negative thread title, fair enough add your opinions but the first hack for PS4 in years = "not a big deal" , I don't know.

The way I saw it , it has always been the same, if you want hacks stay on low firmware, if you want online and hacks then get 2 consoles. Now all of a sudden it seems that is gone out the window and anything less than a hack for latest FW is "not a big deal"..what changed?

I actually think this is a good way to do it, if there was a hack released for latest firmware it just leads to every kid getting the ability to cheat, where as if its an older FW that's hacked then only the people who are willing to wait for it get it, and that does not include most of the cheaters. As an example look what this latest Ps3 hack has done to online gaming.

Lets quote the entire title because quoting a portion of it, YES OF COURSE sounds negative. I do not think its negative title, you (and some) take it as negative where myself (& others) do not. If someone takes it as negative does not it mean it was a negative comment , they just took that way and i can't help that i can only explain my thoughts. Which clearly shows that this is not what was meant "the first hack for PS4 in years = "not a big deal"".

The full title. "4.05 Exploit for PS4, Released by SpecterDev.. Why its not a big deal for most.."



The Problem:
Most PS4 Console's sitting in people's house can not use this hack & also some sitting on store shevles.... Thus for them its not useful, but it is extremely valuable in the long run (due to development).

A Solution:
The solution is a user's choice (buying a 2nd PS4) so i am reporting not speculative choices of the user but what the exploit is now at this time. It could be 10% of people track down a 2nd PS4 or it could be 100% and anything in between, but we know for sure its not 100% and likely not seen close to the 50% mark. As time passes , then even harder to find. So yea its good for people who might get one, but if your on a platform that can not grow easily HOW GOOD IS THE POTENTIAL reality on that firmware. We do not know if the next hack released will be current or not, but we know one way or another we will see hacks. Heck we seen a few carrots already, so the holes are there and the potential to exploit is there.

The way I saw it , it has always been the same, if you want hacks stay on low firmware, if you want online and hacks then get 2 consoles. Now all of a sudden it seems that is gone out the window and anything less than a hack for latest FW is "not a big deal"..what changed?

A week(s) later we are on outdated firmware. So the low firmware is moot point quickly. No one is making that point. THE POINT was the window of opportunity and the people it can reach/ because what is the problem with this hack as it is now. It does not work on most (that word again ) consoles sitting in people home;s. It works on some consoles sitting on store shelves.

PS3
PSP
VITA/PSTV

They all have had hacks where every models could be hacked. All Consoles in homes and Consoles on store shelves. Then even with PS3Xploit (compatible models) everyone could hacked (not a firmware restriction which much more widespread then a model right type many model types we all install the same firmware updates.).

Even with that we still have niche communities that are a very small piece of console gamers. So you severally take an already niche and small audience and cut it down way farther .

That is why its not a big deal to most, The Linux work that Team Fail0verflow did with PS4 linux. Was not a big deal to most (at this time). GREAT WORK FOR THE FUTURE AS 1.76 WAS and 4.05 WILL BE, but to this day can most PS4 consoles use it? This is why i suggest these are great exploits for the development community They are not great windows or portals for your Average user.

Looking back on 1.76 would you say now it was a great hole for development or something that was really enjoyable for end-users? I believe 4.05 will reach more and be better then 1.76 but how much easier is a 4.05 console to find then a 1.76 console was when that surfaced. ?? So, is the growth going to tremendous, In my view doubtful.

We know there is other holes on the PS4 and all we need it patients and an open mind to realize this is not the golden firmware and my best advice is let user's wait it out and see how a hack on current firmware shakes out. You know how many theories and shit we had on the PS3 / PSP / Vita that were later solved with some really great methods.. That is part of the cat and mouse game and that will not change. That is what the scenes have always been. PS3 people said you need two consoles. No you need multiple IDPS .. Not me lol....

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I actually think this is a good way to do it, if there was a hack released for latest firmware it just leads to every kid getting the ability to cheat, where as if its an older FW that's hacked then only the people who are willing to wait for it get it, and that does not include most of the cheaters. As an example look what this latest Ps3 hack has done to online gaming.

For a week or so until its patched and lets be honest in that time would we even see alot of cheating tools created and ported and widely distributed? Maybe some small game mods and such but lets be honest that shit is on OFW to with private tools/methods.

If v4.05 is going to be a widely used platform you know as well as i do someone will eventually try enable PSN access.. it will be at your own risk and bans but you know that cat and mouse game. PS4 will be no different. Has any other device in todays world not been that way..?

I said enough lol well enough to explain the title. Pick my stuff apart but not the title that is partitally quoted and that is something a few have done attacked several words of the title, not the full title or the article contents

So with all that said does my title make sense:or does it still resemble what you first stated?

the first hack for PS4 in years = "not a big deal"

 

This has gone off topic, but I can understand both sides.
A new exploit is always a big deal IMO, at least for the dev and the dev building up on it.
Might not be a big deal for the end user though (yet?)
I follow the ps4 exploits even though I don't own a ps4 at all, but it's always interesting how far the devs are getting
I'm also keen to what's happening to the 3k/4k ps3 (don't own one of those models either (yet ))
BTW I like the way you post news @STLcardsWS

 

...another example of someone having an opinion on the internet... :-/

 

Lets quote the entire title because quoting a portion of it, YES OF COURSE sounds negative. I do not think its negative title, you (and some) take it as negative where myself (& others) do not. If someone takes it as negative does not it mean it was a negative comment , they just took that way and i can't help that i can only explain my thoughts. Which clearly shows that this is not what was meant "the first hack for PS4 in years = "not a big deal"".

The full title. "4.05 Exploit for PS4, Released by SpecterDev.. Why its not a big deal for most.."



The Problem:
Most PS4 Console's sitting in people's house can not use this hack & also some sitting on store shevles.... Thus for them its not useful, but it is extremely valuable in the long run (due to development).

A Solution:
The solution is a user's choice (buying a 2nd PS4) so i am reporting not speculative choices of the user but what the exploit is now at this time. It could be 10% of people track down a 2nd PS4 or it could be 100% and anything in between, but we know for sure its not 100% and likely not seen close to the 50% mark. As time passes , then even harder to find. So yea its good for people who might get one, but if your on a platform that can not grow easily HOW GOOD IS THE POTENTIAL reality on that firmware. We do not know if the next hack released will be current or not, but we know one way or another we will see hacks. Heck we seen a few carrots already, so the holes are there and the potential to exploit is there.




A week(s) later we are on outdated firmware. So the low firmware is moot point quickly. No one is making that point. THE POINT was the window of opportunity and the people it can reach/ because what is the problem with this hack as it is now. It does not work on most (that word again ) consoles sitting in people home;s. It works on some consoles sitting on store shelves.

PS3
PSP
VITA/PSTV

They all have had hacks where every models could be hacked. All Consoles in homes and Consoles on store shelves. Then even with PS3Xploit (compatible models) everyone could hacked (not a firmware restriction which much more widespread then a model right type many model types we all install the same firmware updates.).

Even with that we still have niche communities that are a very small piece of console gamers. So you severally take an already niche and small audience and cut it down way farther .

That is why its not a big deal to most, The Linux work that Team Fail0verflow did with PS4 linux. Was not a big deal to most (at this time). GREAT WORK FOR THE FUTURE AS 1.76 WAS and 4.05 WILL BE, but to this day can most PS4 consoles use it? This is why i suggest these are great exploits for the development community They are not great windows or portals for your Average user.

Looking back on 1.76 would you say now it was a great hole for development or something that was really enjoyable for end-users? I believe 4.05 will reach more and be better then 1.76 but how much easier is a 4.05 console to find then a 1.76 console was when that surfaced. ?? So, is the growth going to tremendous, In my view doubtful.

We know there is other holes on the PS4 and all we need it patients and an open mind to realize this is not the golden firmware and my best advice is let user's wait it out and see how a hack on current firmware shakes out. You know how many theories and shit we had on the PS3 / PSP / Vita that were later solved with some really great methods.. That is part of the cat and mouse game and that will not change. That is what the scenes have always been. PS3 people said you need two consoles. No you need multiple IDPS .. Not me lol....



For a week or so until its patched and lets be honest in that time would we even see alot of cheating tools created and ported and widely distributed? Maybe some small game mods and such but lets be honest that shit is on OFW to with private tools/methods.

If v4.05 is going to be a widely used platform you know as well as i do someone will eventually try enable PSN access.. it will be at your own risk and bans but you know that cat and mouse game. PS4 will be no different. Has any other device in todays world not been that way..?

I said enough lol well enough to explain the title. Pick my stuff apart but not the title that is partitally quoted and that is something a few have done attacked several words of the title, not the full title or the article contents

So with all that said does my title make sense:or does it still resemble what you first stated?

lol, we see this exploit very differently i suppose. There is a lot more than the title negative imo, I am not sure how anyone could say it was a positive article.

for example, from the title, to the first line, "It appears there is a "new release" but yet so "old release" coming to the PS4", so it only appears its an new release? so its not new? but is soo old? ok...

"However I am not very excited about this release and i think it has a bit to much hype considering it does not fix many issues that v1.76 presented." You are not excited, fair enough, but many issues? I thought there was only one issue and that was that its older firmware, and this updates that a lot. so again I think it is exaggerating the negative. where is all this "too much hype"? I only seen small a bit of hype that I though was justified considering.

"This exploit was released WAY TO LATE to be an effective exploit for the PS4." too late to be an effective exploit? BS, its a very effective exploit, it works, so its effective. and "WAY TOO LATE" is a bit of an exaggeration again.

"won't be very well supported" that's negative and hard to say imo, if its being ported to 4.55 already and its only just out I would say it is being "well supported".

"As Team Failoverflow will never release anything that goes widespread" who knows what they do behind the scenes, there are often anonymous contributors to these hacks..

"but 90% or more people see this as an unobtainable firmware with no solutions (other then buying a new PS4)" well I not sure if you can say "90% or more see this as unobtainable", it is quite obtainable actually with your suggestion of buying a new ps4 which you included after saying "no solutions", btw it will be even easier to get exploitable ps4 if/when 4.55 gets exploited.

What about this? How come we have no problem telling a user that his 3K Ps3 or superslim is not exploitable, and to buy a 2k slim if they want CFW, but with PS4 that is no good for "90% or more"?, I see this as the same situation, PS4 on 5.03 is = 3k or superslim, PS4 on 4.05 is = phat or 2k.

Lol, Even if 5.00 gets hacked most people are still going to have to buy another ps4 so absolutely nothing will be different. Good luck waiting for very latest FW to get hacked every time a new one comes out.

"and you can't expect to have a vibrant community when 90% or more of user's see have no way of accessing this firmware. . Not only are you missing many user's but also many developer's . Bigger the platform of user's the more developer's that are attracted to the platform. This exploit fails to deliver that important aspect."

"90% or more" have no way to access this firmware? so 90% of users don't have $250 to buy a separate ps4 or they don't have the patience to wait on lower FW? not sure where you got that statistic, but I would say its exaggerated. if 90% or more users are constantly updating fw waiting for a hack for 5.03 (or whatever the latest is at the time) then this scene will be waiting a long time. I suggest users get used to the fact that they might have to stay on an older FW if they want to exploit, i dont think its such a big deal, it is not that hard to get a 4.55 console, buy one, wait, exploit. In an ideal world of course the latest FW would get hacked, and it would keep getting hacked on day one of new releases, and we would be able to stay on PSN with our hacked consoles constantly, but we don't live there.

Technically you could write "not a big deal for most" on every single bit of homebrew as "most" people don't have exploited consoles and most people are not interested in every single release.

 

Your welcome to write news ..

from the title, to the first line, "It appears there is a "new release" but yet so "old release" coming to the PS4", so it only appears its an new release? so its not new? but is soo old? ok...

Yes its a NEW Release but yet it is an OLD release. I think that is obviously the case. New as the exploit is new and old because its on something old and outdated (the firmware).

"However I am not very excited about this release and i think it has a bit to much hype considering it does not fix many issues that v1.76 presented." You are not excited, fair enough, but many issues? I thought there was only one issue and that was that its older firmware, and this updates that a lot. so again I think it is exaggerating the negative. where is all this "too much hype"? I only seen small a bit of hype that I though was justified considering.

Look above there is many reasons in that long post of mine

"won't be very well supported" that's negative and hard to say imo, if its being ported to 4.55 already and its only just out I would say it is being "well supported".

Lets quote the full sentence here , again lets not pick and choose words. because then we make make something look very differently.

this is an exploit that won't be very well supported like an exploit that occurs on a firmware of that time (like PS3Xploit on the PS3).

"This exploit was released WAY TO LATE to be an effective exploit for the PS4." too late to be an effective exploit? BS, its a very effective exploit, it works, so its effective. and "WAY TOO LATE" is a bit of an exaggeration again.

BS? There is many who believe the same things as i do.
The exploit very effective in the terms of an exploit and the development around it. That does not mean its an effective WINDOW.

"As Team Failoverflow will never release anything that goes widespread" who knows what they do behind the scenes, there are often anonymous contributors to these hacks

I dont guess,. i go by what they have said pubically and officially. . Come on get real
Its common knowledge they intend on not releasing exploits. As they have said as much on their blog. This is not anything negative of the team, its simply saying this originated from them. The exploits origins. They would not do this on a current firmware WHY? WHy? be careful how that is answered it might just make my point right.

"but 90% or more people see this as an unobtainable firmware with no solutions (other then buying a new PS4)" well I not sure if you can say "90% or more see this as unobtainable", it is quite obtainable actually with your suggestion of buying a new ps4 which you included after saying "no solutions", btw it will be even easier to get exploitable ps4 if/when 4.55 gets exploited.

When and if.. Could we talk about now, that what i did in this article. Was my comments about 4.55 . Or was it about 4.05....

What about this? How come we have no problem telling a user that his 3K Ps3 or superslim is not exploitable, and to buy a 2k slim if they want CFW, but with PS4 that is no good for "90% or more"?, I see this as the same situation, PS4 on 5.03 is = 3k or superslim, PS4 on 4.05 is = phat or 2k.

PS3 lets look.
Pre PS3Xploit. There was a DG method (not the case on the PS4)
So any PS3 (pre-25xx) Had potential. (No PS4 model has that same potential)
Post PS3Xploit (Any Pre-25xx can be hacked 4.82 and below (and provided a current firmware window))

I see this AS COMPLETLY different. Also PS3 is vibrant community with plenty of established homebrew and plenty of seasoned homebrew.

Lol, Even if 5.00 gets hacked most people are still going to have to buy another ps4 so absolutely nothing will be different. Good luck waiting for very latest FW to get hacked every time a new one comes out.

LOL, lets just re-visit this in the future and you can have a beer while we see i was right. Your buying of course. if i am wrong i'll buy. but get your wallet ready.

"and you can't expect to have a vibrant community when 90% or more of user's see have no way of accessing this firmware. . Not only are you missing many user's but also many developer's . Bigger the platform of user's the more developer's that are attracted to the platform. This exploit fails to deliver that important aspect."

"and you can't expect to have a vibrant community when 90% or more of user's see have no way of accessing this firmware. . Not only are you missing many user's but also many developer's . Bigger the platform of user's the more developer's that are attracted to the platform. This exploit fails to deliver that important aspect."

"90% or more" have no way to access this firmware? so 90% of users don't have $250 to buy a separate ps4 or they don't have the patience to wait on lower FW? not sure where you got that statistic, but I would say its exaggerated. if 90% or more users are constantly updating fw waiting for a hack for 5.03 (or whatever the latest is at the time) then this scene will be waiting a long time. I suggest users get used to the fact that they might have to stay on an older FW if they want to exploit, i dont think its such a big deal, it is not that hard to get a 4.55 console, buy one, wait, exploit. In an ideal world of course the latest FW would get hacked, and it would keep getting hacked on day one of new releases, and we would be able to stay on PSN with our hacked consoles constantly, but we don't live there.

I do not know what people have to spend and either do you. but MORE people will NOT buy vs BUYING. Are people on the Vita Screaming for a new HENkaku update for later fiwmares.. It would be nice. Yes. but can many things function well. Has progresses been made?

Yes all exploited consoles are on old firmware we know that we have established that. I think everyone is used to that in the scene by now if you have dealt with any modified device.

The floor is open for anyone to do it better. I really do not have to do any of this at all. Not angry but am annoyed i have to defend words that are twiste, I would like to also point out you did like my post about 1.76 coming to late that contained many of the same exact points i discussed in this article (as my views have been the same). : http://www.psx-place.com/threads/ps4-1-76-is-this-the-outdated-exploit-that-came-too-late.14969/ . http://www.psx-place.com/threads/ps4-1-76-is-this-the-outdated-exploit-that-came-too-late.14969/

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Your welcome to write news ..



Yes its a NEW Release but yet it is an OLD release. I think that is obviously the case. New as the exploit is new and old because its on something old and outdated (the firmware).



Look above there is many reasons in that long post of mine



Lets quote the full sentence here , again lets not pick and choose words. because then we make make something look very differently.

this is an exploit that won't be very well supported like an exploit that occurs on a firmware of that time (like PS3Xploit on the PS3).




BS? There is many who believe the same things as i do.
The exploit very effective in the terms of an exploit and the development around it. That does not mean its an effective WINDOW.



I dont guess,. i go by what they have said pubically and officially. . Come on get real
Its common knowledge they intend on not releasing exploits. As they have said as much on their blog. This is not anything negative of the team, its simply saying this originated from them. The exploits origins. They would not do this on a current firmware WHY? WHy? be careful how that is answered it might just make my point right.



When and if.. Could we talk about now, that what i did in this article. Was my comments about 4.55 . Or was it about 4.05....



PS3 lets look.
Pre PS3Xploit. There was a DG method (not the case on the PS4)
So any PS3 (pre-25xx) Had potential. (No PS4 model has that same potential)
Post PS3Xploit (Any Pre-25xx can be hacked 4.82 and below (and provided a current firmware window))

I see this AS COMPLETLY different. Also PS3 is vibrant community with plenty of established homebrew and plenty of seasoned homebrew.



LOL, lets just re-visit this in the future and you can have a beer while we see i was right. Your buying of course. if i am wrong i'll buy. but get your wallet ready.





I do not know what people have to spend and either do you. but MORE people will NOT buy vs BUYING. Are people on the Vita Screaming for a new HENkaku update for later fiwmares.. It would be nice. Yes. but can many things function well. Has progresses been made?

Yes all exploited consoles are on old firmware we know that we have established that. I think everyone is used to that in the scene by now if you have dealt with any modified device.

The floor is open for anyone to do it better. I really do not have to do any of this at all. Not angry but am annoyed i have to defend words that are twiste, I would like to also point out you did like my post about 1.76 coming to late that contained many of the same exact points i discussed in this article (as my views have been the same). : http://www.psx-place.com/threads/ps4-1-76-is-this-the-outdated-exploit-that-came-too-late.14969/ .

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I wasn't trying to twist your words, I posted them as is, I was just pointing out all the negative words and phrases like "not", "never" and "doesn't" ,"way too late" etc etc. We see it different , that's cool.

 

So is it really been ported to 4.55 or not? Abit confused about it


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So is it really been ported to 4.55 or not? Abit confused about it


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probably not yet

 

I only partially agree with STLcardsWS as to the impact of the 4.05 exploit but he is entitled to his own opinion, just like like all members are.
He is also entitled to post whatever he wishes on a site he maintains out of pocket without ads or revenues.
Nobody is forcing anyone to read his articles & consensual news reporting without pertinent questioning is available elsewhere.

So in reply to some ridiculous assertions I read in this thread, no, STLcardsWS doesn't need to get over himself & no, he doesn't need to take any lessons on how to run his own forum, especially from people who have absolutely no experience about such things...

All this politically correct mindedness is getting frankly unbearable.
A world without different & conflicting opinions would be a completely static place of such boredom & blandness...

But seemingly, the trend keeps growing stronger, opinions that don't follow an accepted & sanitized pattern are no longer tolerated, every word uttered is always likely to lead to an avalanche of useless & aggressive reactions, mostly from people who never contributed a single thing to the community but who feel entitled behind their screen to judge all & every contribution from others.
I think the most hilarious thing I read in this thread was the opinionated posts explaining there should be no opinions in the OP.. What a paradox... and a joke..!

 

@bguerville , that's pretty much what I was thinking. it's like those people who get pissed off when they see a lot of violence or sex on tv, then complain to the network. if you don't like it, change the channel or in this case, don't read the article.

 

I liked the article and thought it was informative, also I respect @STLcardsWS's opinion and pretty much for the most part agree with it.

 

I liked the article and thought it was informative, also I respect @STLcardsWS's opinion and pretty much for the most part agree with it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the article imo & the potentially provocative title actually calls for full reading.
It's true that the direct end user impact will be greater than 1.76 but still fairly small & that the same exploit released on current firmware would have had a greater impact despite the unavoidable patch that would follow. It would have given the opportunity to all users to start using the exploit instead of having to hunt for a compatible console. That would of course have triggered a greater development base.
I don't see anything wrong in saying that, it's a perfectly valid point to make & it doesn't diminish in any way the wonderful job that specterdev & few others have done for this release. Believe me, I fully appreciate how much work & skill it will have required to put such a release together..

 

@STLcardsWS I agree with you in various subjects of your article and I respect your point of view... However in this case I'm with @DeViL303; IMO the article emphasizes too much the negative part of the release.

It is true that the audience is reduced due the version required for the exploit and other limitations. But there are other positive aspects that could have been covered to maintain a balance. e.g. 4.05 is only 1 year 2 months old, so the chances to find an old model with pre 4.05 is higher and the audience is or will be bigger than the audience for 1.76.

From the R&D view, it is also a great milestone... and the devs behind this exploit deserve a better critic than a 'Thanks, but you released it too late'... At least, that's the way I interpreted this article.

Personally, I have a feeling that a CFW exploit on PS4 is not as important as it was for PS3 and it would only benefit the pirates:
* Most PS4 games are mainly online and a CFW will only impact negatively the network play experience of OFW users.
* Currently there are many other alternative platforms for homebrew development (PC, tablets, TV sticks and consoles already hacked like PS3, PSVita, Wii, etc.). So the current scenario is different to the one in 2010.
* If we take PS3 and PSVita as reference, the homebrew developement on these platforms were very limited compared to PSP. I doubt it would be different for PS4; specially if we consider that many devs prefer invest their free time in other platforms that could generate them benefits.

 

@STLcardsWS I agree with you in various subjects of your article and I respect your point of view... However in this case I'm with @DeViL303; IMO the article emphasizes too much the negative part of the release.

It is true that the audience is reduced due the version required for the exploit and other limitations. But there are other positive aspects that could have been covered to maintain a balance. e.g. 4.05 is only 1 year 2 months old, so the chances to find an old model with pre 4.05 is higher and the audience is or will be bigger than the audience for 1.76.

From the R&D view, it is also a great milestone... and the devs behind this exploit deserve a better critic than a 'Thanks, but you released it too late'... At least, that's the way I interpreted this article.

Personally, I have a feeling that a CFW exploit on PS4 is not as important as it was for PS3 and it would only benefit the pirates:
* Most PS4 games are mainly online and a CFW will only impact negatively the network play experience of OFW users.
* Currently there are many other alternative platforms for homebrew development (PC, tablets, TV sticks and consoles already hacked like PS3, PSVita, Wii, etc.). So the current scenario is different to the one in 2010.
* If we take PS3 and PSVita as reference, the homebrew developement on these platforms were very limited compared to PSP. I doubt it would be different for PS4; specially if we consider that many devs prefer invest their free time in other platforms that could generate them benefits.

I do get your point about having a certain feeling of overall negativity after reading the article Aldo. But there is no need to be touchy, that negativity was not directed at the devs & not every released project gets to be a huge success no matter the amount of work put in it.
STLcardsWS's opinion on the matter is consistent with the previous 2 or 3 articles in the past year on the subject. I actually partially disagreed with him back then & posted about it but I don't recall many others doing the same thing.... But now all of a sudden his views are a problem?

I have always considered that the best & most fruitful article is always the one that leads to questioning & debating, not the one just reporting a release & letting most people believe all sorts of nonsense because they do not know any better.

And I also agree about the other points you raised over ps4 development btw...

 

@STLcardsWS and @DeViL303 , I didn't read your entire posts, but it sounds to me that you both took each other's argument too personally. cooler heads prevail.

 

my two cents..
i think that for the ps4 its not current, true and from what im reading there is kernal exploit up to 5.x just private, unfortunately im on 4.06 and have been very patient forr a long time. but at the same time its a public release, wich means mores eyes, kind of a break thru for the ps4. over at another site the ps4 scene is blowing up with new releases, so its just a matter of time and eyes before we start the cat and mouse game, and honestly i dont think the ps4 scene is ready for the cat and mouse game, just not yet..
(good for developers side)
i have always enjoyed the news from ya guys, here and at the psx-scene as well.

 

Jeez guys, my original point was that the thread title was negative, it was my opinion on his opinion. it was not a personal attack on stl or his writing. Yes I liked the 1.76 article more, that fw was over 3 years old and was almost literally "unobtainable" at the time of writing. I see this differently as its obtainable, and more progress is being made all the time. I do not see how a hack for 5.00 would be much different than this, a new Ps4 or patience without PSN is still required = you are either waiting on lower firmware for a hack, or updating because you don't care, if you are updating every time and still want a hack good luck to you.