Average temp of ps3 super slim

[sandungas]

Couldn't care less what other people think.
Why would it not be fine when my console is working as it's supposed to?
My temps on idle both chips are nearly at same temp as it's supposed to and in game rsx goes higher because it's processing all the graphics while the cell has a lesser load because it's only processing all the computations , just as any other cpu would.
Cya.

Im reading some of your latest posts that i missed and for curiosity sake... there is an effect maybe you have not noticed
The heat dissipation efficience of the heatsink decreases exponentially

Lets say... using CELL as a reference... because the CELL temperaure is more stable ingame it gives us a general reference about how much hot is the PS3

If you are ingame with CELL stable at 60... you are going to have the RSX = CELL +3 +3
If you are ingame with CELL stable at 65... you are going to have the RSX = CELL +4 +4
If you are ingame with CELL stable at 70... you are going to have the RSX = CELL +5 +5

I just invented the formula, but is a bit like that... the first value i add is because RSX is always a bit higher than CELL... even in the points of the game with the lower graphic workload, RSX is going to be always a bit over CELL, even if you stay idle in the main menu of the game

The second value i add is caused by the "temperature peaks" that happens in RSX that depends of what is happening in screen, also depends of how many problems have every game engine with some of the stuff that appears in screen (special mention to naughty dog engine for his problems with water, epic stuff)
This kind of things could make the RSX to increase his temperature violently and fast up to 5ºC or so
And in the same way it goes up it goes back -5ºC

Is very tricky to catch the RSX when is in one of that peaks at his max... in some games there are easy ways to force it (ike in GTAV doing loops with a waterbike in the middle of the sea and turning the camera in opposite direction), but in general in most of the games there is no way to push the RSX to his max for several minutes (to keep the temperature peek high, time enought to meassure it well)... or incase the game allows it is something that requires several minutes of play or is a bit random so the results could be random too

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All that said... to me it loks your RSX is a bit higher than normal, i would say having it +10ºC over CELL is ok but 15ºC is a bit in the limit

Im sorry to tell this after knowing your bad experiences with PS3, but you should keep an eye at that
Syscon mode have some feaures that are imposible to do with any fan software and is a lot more relliable than software because is not going to "crash" ever and is not going to do any unexpected weirdness

The problem with syscon mode is you need to be sure your PS3 is not reaching more than 80ºC at any time (not even when that RSX temperature peaks happens)

Personally when talking about all this stuff related with temperatures i use to think in the "security margins", because most people thinks when we say a number is exactly that number, but is not like that
If you tell me your max is 75ºC i add my "security margin" of +5ºC and i think your PS3 could be in 80ºC

To configure my fan i do the same... i configure it for a max target of 75ºC (included the RSX peaks)... this gives me 5ºC of room as "security margin"
You know... incase i made some innacuracies while doing the tests, or incase things goes a bit out of control i know im not going to enter in the danger zone so easilly
I consider the danger zone is in 80ºC... of course the most far away you stay from it is the better

So in resume... if your PS3 stays at 75ºC max with syscon is ok.. but remember to take a look at it in summer or every X months

 

[Filipe Santos]

Nope. My console's fine and so it's the rsx temps.
Backing up a game on multiman and console's been on for hours
temps cpu 60c rsx 63c
there's nothing wrong with my console mate and in game rsx temps can always go higher along with the cell going higher too but always a bit behind the rsx depending on what game's being played.
I monitor the temps regularly depending on what game it's on just for curiosity's sake, but it's mostly the latest releases apart from a few earlier other titles that will push the system a bit harder.
I'm not worrying about any of this because my console's supposed to play games not to mess with temperatures and besides if there was a problem , I would've noticed it.
If there was something beyond my knowledge I wouldn't be too proud to post here for some extra help either .
But none is the case . Fortunately.
The console's been cleaned and repasted look on my signature date , so no reason to reach 80c unless the game's intensive as F%$# , the paste's gone bad or the ihs paste is completely fucked and there's no contact at all. This is a 3003 model it's not like the others.
And yes I use syscon , because software fan tinkers won't do shit either.
The temps are normal and I don't care what other people think because nobody is going to push me or convince me to do otherwise.
Whether people use them or not it's none of my business , if people don't like syscon I couldn't care less , I have my own views and like I said , I had a slim breaking out with fan control down to 60c and blacked out. So again , fan controls won't save your ass and if the console's proper , there's no reason why not to use syscon as I am.

Just a small hint to you Sandungas :
remember the heatsink is shared but I'm not gonna spend my time with discussing temps or this or that or try to convince other people to do otherwise. seriously, if people don't know how their console works it's none of my biz.
The last thing i have to say is simple , I have an idea how my console behaves , so , as time goes on , if things change dramatically , then , there's a problem. If not then good.

Have a nice sunday.
I got a shit ton of games to go through.
Unwatching thread.

 

[sandungas]

Nope. My console's fine and so it's the rsx temps.
Backing up a game on multiman and console's been on for hours
temps cpu 60c rsx 63c
there's nothing wrong with my console mate and in game rsx temps can always go higher along with the cell going higher too but always a bit behind the rsx depending on what game's being played.
I monitor the temps regularly depending on what game it's on just for curiosity's sake, but it's mostly the latest releases apart from a few earlier other titles that will push the system a bit harder.
I'm not worrying about any of this because my console's supposed to play games not to mess with temperatures and besides if there was a problem , I would've noticed it.
If there was something beyond my knowledge I wouldn't be too proud to post here for some extra help either .
But none is the case . Fortunately.
The console's been cleaned and repasted look on my signature date , so no reason to reach 80c unless the game's intensive as F%$# , the paste's gone bad or the ihs paste is completely fucked and there's no contact at all. This is a 3003 model it's not like the others.
And yes I use syscon , because software fan tinkers won't do shit either.
The temps are normal and I don't care what other people think because nobody is going to push me or convince me to do otherwise.
Whether people use them or not it's none of my business , if people don't like syscon I couldn't care less , I have my own views and like I said , I had a slim breaking out with fan control down to 60c and blacked out. So again , fan controls won't save your ass and if the console's proper , there's no reason why not to use syscon as I am.

Just a small hint to you Sandungas :
remember the heatsink is shared but I'm not gonna spend my time with discussing temps or this or that or try to convince other people to do otherwise. seriously, if people don't know how their console works it's none of my biz.
The last thing i have to say is simple , I have an idea how my console behaves , so , as time goes on , if things change dramatically , then , there's a problem. If not then good.

Have a nice sunday.
I got a shit ton of games to go through.
Unwatching thread.

Dont get defensive, i was not trying to convince you to use the fan control softwares
There are other alternatives btw, i bought a small adapter in ebay for 20$ or so that allows me to use syscon mode with higher fan speeds (is long to explain)

I was just pointing to the fact that your temperatures are a bit in the aceptable limits...is ok but this is going to cause you to worry about them a lot (in the next weeks, months years, etc...) and thats an annoyance
You know, unlike the previous generation of consoles where you just sit in front of it, turn the console on, insert game, play and enjoy and no need to worry about anything more
In the PS3 it looks we need to worry about temperature and that sucks, we are like in an "alarm state" permanently
For someone like you that had problems with other PS3's is going to be specially annoying (and i guess this is why you are a bit tired of talking about it)

I dont use to suggest everyone to buy the same adapter i did (i only sugest it to some), but i think you should consider in buying it, 20$ and no more worry about temperatures anymore

 

[snkplkn]

sandungas advice is very good and he's not forcing anyone to do anything. I don't know why someone has problem with that.

The days of popping Disk and letting console do everything are over. Consoles are getting complicated by every generation and require maintenance.

But i would like to add one more thing. Some people have presumption that Consoles are very well designed. Actually they are not. Companies that made these consoles built them with a tons of flaws. Like XBox 360 & PS3 generation. There were many flaws in these consoles in all models and revisions but most significantly in earlier designs.

Also companies lock you in your consoles forever. Your console is like a powerful computer but company don't give you full access to work on it. You can't even see your CPU and GPU health status.

Developers have done a great job. NoBD firmwares. Fan Control applications (Syscon on FAT is a joke). Backup managers & all kind of tool boxes. Sony didn't give you all that.

Developers have given fixes to many flaws in PS3. Flaws that were made by Sony and Sony dumped those problems on consumers. But developers (out of their interest and enthusiasm) work to solve these problems. And they don't get paid to do all that.

 

[sandungas]

For some time when i was playing in the PS3 and i had the feeling i was like a hunting dog when the fan speed was increasing, you know... is a instant change of mind from playing relaxed to this:

-hmmm, why the fan speed increased speed at this point of the game ?
-which temperature i have, is too much ?
-omg it changed again, now what ?
-im going to lower the volume of the TV to be aware of fan noise levels in the next minutes
-and so on...

That sucks, and it becomes a distraction that doesnt allows you to play normallly, i was very bored of it too
I can handle high noise levels, no problem, the brain gets used to it after some minutes playing, but that feeling where you dont know if your PS3 is going to overheat in the next 5 minutes is very annoying

 

[Filipe Santos]

For someone like you that had problems with other PS3's is going to be specially annoying (and i guess this is why you are a bit tired of talking about it)

Hi Sandungas.
That's exactly why.
It's really annoying now mate seriously.

I was just pointing to the fact that your temperatures are a bit in the aceptable limits...

Yes mate they are.
The console's working fine bro , it's not like i'm getting reads of over 15c or 20c or so.
My PS3 is in very good condition.
And these temp things are variable man , yesterday I was playing the same game , today I played the same game and the temps vary.
But as I said , I'm not getting extreme reads.
Both stable while idle and one hotter than the other in game which is completely normal.
If things start to go wary I know what to do , but usually this technology when it breaks they just do fan controls or no fan controls and that's all I gotta say.
Good day.

 

[Filipe Santos]

Developers have done a great job. NoBD firmwares. Fan Control applications (Syscon on FAT is a joke).​

I know syscon on FAT's are terrible. Those are the models that suffer the most.
If I had one of those I would be using the dynamic fan settings but I don't because I got a 3003 slim model revision instead.

Backup managers & all kind of tool boxes. Sony didn't give you all that.

Developers have given fixes to many flaws in PS3. Flaws that were made by Sony and Sony dumped those problems on consumers. But developers (out of their interest and enthusiasm) work to solve these problems. And they don't get paid to do all that.

I'm not saying I don't appreciate the wonderful apps the devs did.
I'm just saying I don't have to necessarily use everything they put there.
The fan settings should be more redirected towards that phat models as you said , the slims don't seem to have any trouble and I pretty much doubt the super ones will either.
But it's none of my business how other PS3 owners do with their consoles , I'm only minding my own.

Ok Sandungas
benchmark this :
2 and a half hours straight playing silent hill downpour
stable temps of :
cpu:59c/60c
rsx:71c/72c
How's that for Syscon?

Or like some other users say after seeing those temps:
''oh no those temps are way too high you need to delid your console.''
''Or uuu 70c is too dangerous.''

MY ARSE.

Oh and no need to worry about fan schematics or panics or worries going on either because this ps3 is silent running.
The word is simple :
Job well done.

Apart from that , the ebay mistake of the seller sending me the awesome console I have now that I had the pleasure to restore, instead of the older model that nakedsnake advised me (a 21xx series) and the one that I was actually suppose to get , ended working towards my better benefit.
Fate I guess.
Oh and HEN... ROCKS! This coming from 2 past CFW slim user.

I don't know why someone has problem with that.

I don't have a problem with anything but I don't need people coming patronizing me on how or how I should be using my stuff.
If I need advice : I ASK.
Plus I'm sick of all these negativity in these forums with people constantly coming with nothing but problems which all could be easily avoided if people would take some time to sit down , read about it , search for information and learn how to work with their own devices and not go messing with stuff that they shouldn't.
Sorry but , I'm a sucker for positivity and I'm sick of hearing about problems.
I had no idea how to jailbreak anything , learnt it all by myself and never had to go asking anybody , work with multiman , webman and the list goes on and never had any problems with anything (except when I went the delid stupidity on the 2503b model because of temp obssesion I had which was ridiculous).
There's lots of information if people know where to look of instead coming posting instantly by the slightest ''problem'' they have.
Good night!
Over and out.​

 

[DeViL303]

I just wanna say if any of you think that 70c and around that is overheating...
guess what.
It' aint.

If anything goes over limit the console will shut itself down as a warning.

and limiting temps and overworking fans won't save you either.

just my advice.​

just a small note , i never had a slim overheating , so i doubt yours will and if your ps3 will start to run seriously borderline redline temps , the motherboard has ways to stop it , it will issue you a warning and switch itself off.
if that happens then you can take action.

I know syscon on FAT's are terrible. Those are the models that suffer the most​

That really says it all, those models suffer the MOST. "Just redo the paste every 8 years and only take action when its shutting itself down??...OMG that is some of the worst advice i have ever seen on here.

I get it, you don't want to use fan control, fine but why so much hate towards it, like if I dont like something i just move onto the next thing..but you are really putting time into this negativity towards fan control and trying to convince people not to use it.. just don't use it. Problem solved. Be more postive...

BUT to say it is not helping anyone on newer models is ignoring one important point. Your PS3 is going to die someday...it could one of many critical components that fail, but it will be one of them regardless if its next year or in 10 years.. Heat is the main enemy of most electronic components over time, this is proven fact that I don;t think anyone would argue? Expansion and contraction I think is a big part of the wear and tear on electronics. So it makes logical sense to me that reducing that will add life to some components. Now I am not saying that every PS3 that uses fan control will outlast every PS3 that does not.. But IMO on average over thousands of consoles a lot of them will.

Its the reason computers last longer if you just leave them on all the time... less expansion/contraction going on.

I think you have very simple understanding of electronics and think its a binary situation where its fine until it shuts off... that is a bit like saying "drive your car till it overheats and then top up the water"...

this is no car XD

No but thermal performance has a big impact on the lifetime of car components and computer components so its a good analogy... This is not even that hard to understand really..

So you can do what you want... but to quote your current temps which are higher than mine and then try to say that fan control is not helping newer consoles just cos yours is still working is a real simple way of looking at it. People who use fan control are looking at the bigger picture maybe... you don't have to..

LOL... .triggered much?

 

[wrx884]

lol nail on the head @DeViL303

 

[DeViL303]

Just makes logical sense to me, now I'm willing to be proven wrong too and love a good intelligent debate. So if someone else has a good explanation why temperature+time does not degrade the materials used in a PS3 then I am happy to hear it. BUT if the points are:

• Your console still works today and you use syscon
• Sony made it that way for a reason
• It will shut down when it has an issue
• Don't do anything until it overheats and shuts down
• Replace paste every 8 years

Then I simply disagree. It's actually really funny to see anyone arguing against running ANY computer cooler. Its a bit like the people who say dinosaur bones are not real and god put them there to test our faith..it's like "wow..there are people who believe that?"

 

[DoublesAdvocate]

I really don't think you guys should keep arguing with him. He just doesn't listen, I don't think he even fully reads the replies.

I do actually disagree about the fats having a bad syscon. I think the bigger issue with those models is airflow, they have massive exhausts on the back and side by the BD but the actual intakes for the fan are tiny which is why going from the default fan curve of ~25% to 100% seems to have very little effect on temps. The fan is spinning 75% faster but the amount of fresh air moving over the heatsink isn't equal to an extra 75%.

Seeing people post their temps with the fan at 100% gives me a headache, at that point the console is making so much noise it may as well be a vacuum cleaner since there's no way you're going to enjoy playing on it with all that noise anyway.

 

[pinky]

by the time the system is shutting off due to overheating, it's probably too late to fix it by just replacing the thermal paste. you could be seriously damaging the board itself, so no fix may work. this happens on the 360 a lot. replacing the thermal paste may work as a temp fix, but there's something else that's wrong.

 

[Peppe90]

by the time the system is shutting off due to overheating, it's probably too late to fix it by just replacing the thermal paste. you could be seriously damaging the board itself, so no fix may work. this happens on the 360 a lot. replacing the thermal paste may work as a temp fix, but there's something else that's wrong.

My first Ps3 (a slim I bought in 2010) perfectly worked for about 2,5 years (half year I usually don't play vg at all, so it was about a year of actual use). Then one day, I was normally playing (Ni No Kuni) and the Ps3 shut-down itself with the blinking red led (it was in may).

Replacing the termal past didn't solve nothing, the console was fu***d. Powering on, the fan spinned up to max in about a minute then it shut-off with blinking red. After 5 minutes I could power-on again. I couldn't even backup my games, just some non protected saves.

I have the super-slim since 2013 and no problems so far.

I have a friend with a FAT Ps3 from 2007. He use it as a media center, gaming console, chatting Platform, since ever. He told me he rarely shut-off the console (even at night it's downloading stuff) and never had any problem. Btw he live in a much colder place than me.

 

[DeViL303]

It would be interesting to see the different statistics on console failure rates in different climates.

https://www.ctmmagnetics.com/the-effect-of-temperature-on-the-life-of-power-electronic-devices/


Look:

For example, imagine a power management product designed to run in environments up to 50º Centigrade with an MTBF of, say, 20,000 hours. Operating at 60º will effectively cut its life in half. Alternately, if the environment were cooled to 40º, the MTBF could be extended to 40,000.

But he says 70 is fine and not "over heating"

Yeah, 70 is fine, and 75 is worse, and 65 is better. It's not binary.

 

[pinky]

My first Ps3 (a slim I bought in 2010) perfectly worked for about 2,5 years (half year I usually don't play vg at all, so it was about a year of actual use). Then one day, I was normally playing (Ni No Kuni) and the Ps3 shut-down itself with the blinking red led (it was in may).

Replacing the termal past didn't solve nothing, the console was fu***d. Powering on, the fan spinned up to max in about a minute then it shut-off with blinking red. After 5 minutes I could power-on again. I couldn't even backup my games, just some non protected saves.

I have the super-slim since 2013 and no problems so far.

I have a friend with a FAT Ps3 from 2007. He use it as a media center, gaming console, chatting Platform, since ever. He told me he rarely shut-off the console (even at night it's downloading stuff) and never had any problem. Btw he live in a much colder place than me.

I think one of the problems is shutting down the system. it abruptly cuts off the fan, so the system cools off on its own. they seem to have corrected it with the ps4, as the fan continues to cool down the system even after shutting down. it will stop when it's sufficiently cooled.

 

[Peppe90]

I think one of the problems is shutting down the system. it abruptly cuts off the fan, so the system cools off on its own.

Yes, like bike/machine air cooled engines (as my Vespa ).

they seem to have corrected it with the ps4, as the fan continues to cool down the system even after shutting down. it will stop when it's sufficiently cooled.

I don't think they really thought about it. If you actually shut off the Ps4, then fan too stop as soon as the ps4 is off. The fan keep spinning if the console is doing something (with some active rest mode) and shut off once finished.

Anyway it could be a good solution to leave, in example, usb for 3 hours always enabled, so the fan will keep spinning for 3 hours cooling the console (if you just have that option checked the console will completely power-off itself once 3 hours have passed).
I'd like this option to be more customizable (like 2 hours, 1 hour, 30, 20 minutes, etc...)

 

[pinky]

the ps3 has an auto shutdown setting. you can turn it off. I think the default is like 1 hour of being idle. rebug toolbox also has one, so if you're wanting to continue cooling while doing nothing, you do have that.

 

[sandungas]

But that cooldown when the device is turned off incase is made it needs to be very low, think in the temperature/time like a curve in a graph where X axis is time, and Y axis is temperature
When the device turns on from ambient is going to create a curve with a belly
And when you turn it off it needs to create another curve with a belly
This is good to allow the materials to do the transistion of expansions/contraptions of materials a bit controlled
I guess the engineers make some tests to adjust the fan settings to achieve this

But... if you turn of f the device, and you keep the fan spinning at fast speed is going to create a "breakpoint" in the curve, and thats bad

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But if i remember right, there is an effect not much intuitive that happens with heatsinks and passive dissipation
When the heat "emitter" stops generating heat... the heat moves to the opposite borders of the metal heatsinks (or the fins of your vespa cylinder), and then it "bounces" back to the emitter
So the emitter have an small temperature peak increase inmediatly when you turn it off

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So... is hard to know if this effects are happening

 

[Filipe Santos]

Imo those that are thinking that the last of us seem to be the heaviest game on the ps3 might start thinking twice.
The last of us
2hours straight so far
Syscon:
Cpu61c
Rsx71c.

On bioshock infinite rsx was on around 73c or so.
But this is my ps3 so.

Couldn't care less about all the nerd geek obssession temp factor when the console stops working it just does.
Simple.
Argue as much as you want.
Cya.

 

[gMemo92]

Never understood why Sony added heat spreaders. Wouldn't metal (heatsink ) to die be better? Isn't the heat spreader just slowing down heat transfer?

Has anyone tried to do just heatsink to die?